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Ductking1 
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Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 11:27am |
I just bought a 1941 Allis Chalmers WC and am looking for any help on buying and installing a pump for live hydraulics. I would like to put a small bucket loader on this tractor. I have a picture of a WC with a pump and hoses mounted on the right side and a belt coming from the pulley that would run a hammer mill, etc. I was wondering if anything may be available that would run off the PTO. This is only the second tractor I have owned, and am not very knowledgeable. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Ken
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Bill Long
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Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 11:31am |
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For a live hydraulic you would have to attach the pump directly to the engine. Anything attached to the belt pulley or PTO is behind the clutch and would be affected by the clutch.
I have heard of it being done and in fact, I think there are some pictures on this site some time ago that worked it.
Perhaps others more knowledgeable than I on this can chime in.
Good Luck!
Bill Long
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Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 11:33am |
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Niether the belt pulley or PTO are live. to get livve hydraulics you need to mount the pump to the engine driven by the crank pulley.
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Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 1:00pm |
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I see what you mean. Maybe I am thinking wrong. I am just looking for some sort of hydraulics in order to run a loader bucket and or plow blade I guess I would have to use the clutch and then the tractor would go into neutral. Maybe off the front where the hand crank is ?
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Matt MN
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Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 1:13pm |
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one easy way is to have a "charlynn" pump mounted to the Pto.
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Unless your are the lead horse the scenery never changes!!
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Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 1:17pm |
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Matt, he said he wanted LIVE hydraulics. It would have to be a front mount driven from the crank or a side mount belt driven pump. I have seen power steering pumps mounted off to the side like the generator and use the transmission for an extra reservoir.
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Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 1:50pm |
 CTuckerNWIL wrote:
Matt, he said he wanted LIVE hydraulics. It would have to be a front mount driven from the crank or a side mount belt driven pump. I have seen power steering pumps mounted off to the side like the generator and use the transmission for an extra reservoir.
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Read his post above mine, He is looking for any type of hydraulics. I am just giving an example.
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Unless your are the lead horse the scenery never changes!!
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Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 2:20pm |
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I was thinking for the PTO I may mount a winch to skid logs. Everyone needs a good winch. If I can figure this loader deal out. This will be a good tractor for around my property.
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Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 2:44pm |
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Fred in Pa had a w c with a front pump & loader for sale was going to part out 2 weeks ago may still have it.
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Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 2:53pm |
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I'm new here. How would I get in touch with Fred. I am in Trout Run, Pa.
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Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 2:56pm |
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freds ph # 717-451-6590
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Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 2:57pm |
A picture from classifides with hydraulic pump.
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Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 3:28pm |
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Called Fred, he sold it. Just my luck. Sounds like just what I am looking for.
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Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 4:41pm |
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NICE
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Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 4:59pm |
A bigger picture of my Allis
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Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 5:55pm |
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Looks like it would work. I have to get some more education so I know what I am doing. I am going to buy a manual for my WC this week. Thanks for the info.
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Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 6:05pm |
I took this picture at the GOTO in Tulare CA.
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917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express"
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Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 6:16pm |
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Thats a rigging.
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Posted: 03 Aug 2011 at 6:41pm |
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if i was you i would buy a wd or wd45 with a loader.. it would be alot easier. and you can get them for under a $1,000... but thats just my 2 cents..
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wd with a freeman model 90 trip loader, wd45, 38 unstylled wc, b 10 garden tractor and 2-14 ac trip plow. grandpa has a 56 wd45. wd. allis chalmers snap coupler blade and 3 bottom snap coupler plow
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