190XT engine

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   I finally figured out how to post pictures, and yesterday was reminded of one of the things I wanted to find out. I bought my 190XT at auction 35 years ago (sight unseen, a friend went for me as I didn't have the time) and it has been relatively problem free ever since. It has an obviously replaced engine, and when I asked the local Allis dealer about it they said it was probably from an MH Gleaner - this was based on my description of the injector pump and them not seeing it. So for many years I had an MH engine in my 190XT, replaced the water pump with an MH water pump, no problem. Then I found this forum, and was reading a thread one day where DrAllis stated that combine engines don't have hydraulic pumps. Mine does, and it looks like it belongs there. One thing I really like about it since I mostly run a baler is the engine speed, at full throttle it turns the PTO at 540 so I can run it half asleep and not have to worry about getting the throttle set right. Anyway, the suggestion yesterday was that it might be a loader engine. 

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TedN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 30 Apr 2025 Location: Central WA Points: 40	Post Options Post Reply Quote TedN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 190XT engine Posted: 18 hours 5 minutes ago at 9:59pm
	I finally figured out how to post pictures, and yesterday was reminded of one of the things I wanted to find out. I bought my 190XT at auction 35 years ago (sight unseen, a friend went for me as I didn't have the time) and it has been relatively problem free ever since. It has an obviously replaced engine, and when I asked the local Allis dealer about it they said it was probably from an MH Gleaner - this was based on my description of the injector pump and them not seeing it. So for many years I had an MH engine in my 190XT, replaced the water pump with an MH water pump, no problem. Then I found this forum, and was reading a thread one day where DrAllis stated that combine engines don't have hydraulic pumps. Mine does, and it looks like it belongs there. One thing I really like about it since I mostly run a baler is the engine speed, at full throttle it turns the PTO at 540 so I can run it half asleep and not have to worry about getting the throttle set right. Anyway, the suggestion yesterday was that it might be a loader engine.
	190XTD seriesIII, 190XTD seriesI, maroon belly 7000, 190XTD series??? project(or maybe parts)

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DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21561	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 hours 27 minutes ago at 10:37pm
	A Gleaner combine engine was never yellow. Construction equipment was yellow. The hydraulic pump drive and timing cover mounting area look strange to me, so that too could be construction. The engine oil cooler and dual oil filters are early 1970's. Water pump is left hand intake. Alternator is right hand instead of left side like a tractor would be. The injection pump is a Simms brand similar to a 1972-73 model "L" Gleaner combine. So, I'd guess it came from an early 70's wheel loader. It is clearly a Mark 2 engine which I think was 130 HP @ 2400 RPM. Edited by DrAllis - 17 hours 22 minutes ago at 10:42pm

TedN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 30 Apr 2025 Location: Central WA Points: 40	Post Options Post Reply Quote TedN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 hours 54 minutes ago at 11:10pm
	Not a lot of Allis or Gleaner in my area, didn't have much for dealers locally. In the Columbia Basin Irrigation Project (Grand Coulee Dam) the only dealer that I know of that was Allis was Smith Tractor in Pasco. I would go to Walter Implement in Odessa, but they were more geared toward the articulates, and by the time I started Allis had changed hands. Most of what I know about them comes from a few conversations with the mechanics at Walter and from reading I&T manuals until I stumbled on this forum. I really do appreciate the knowledge that is shared. Ted
	190XTD seriesIII, 190XTD seriesI, maroon belly 7000, 190XTD series??? project(or maybe parts)

Mikez Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 16 Jan 2013 Location: Usa Points: 8660	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mikez Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 8 hours 45 minutes ago at 7:19am
	Interesting Who ever put that in there must have done a decent job if you’ve gone 35 years of use.

SteveM C/IL Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8547	Post Options Post Reply Quote SteveM C/IL Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 7 hours 38 minutes ago at 8:26am
	Loader engine for sure. That's a dual oil cooler. One for engine one for transmission. The air compressor mounts where your hyd pump is. Just like my 78 545B.

TedN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 30 Apr 2025 Location: Central WA Points: 40	Post Options Post Reply Quote TedN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 6 hours 10 minutes ago at 9:54am
	It is nice knowing a little better what it is. I think I paid $1200 for it, so it definitely doesn't owe me anything. I bought a New Holland 580 new in 1995 and have replaced the floor in it at least twice all with this tractor running it. Have a CaseIH 551sb now and it gets pulled by this tractor a lot too. Now that I have a 7000 the oil filters on this one make sense. Downside to buying at auction is I don't have the backstory on how and why the engine transplant happened, but the radiator has clues as to the why. It is nice finding a group that knows about most everything Allis, at least the farm and industrial equipment. Ted
	190XTD seriesIII, 190XTD seriesI, maroon belly 7000, 190XTD series??? project(or maybe parts)

orangereborn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: NW WI Points: 1463	Post Options Post Reply Quote orangereborn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 5 hours 20 minutes ago at 10:44am


tbran Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Paris Tn Points: 3500	Post Options Post Reply Quote tbran Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 4 hours 52 minutes ago at 11:12am
	Thick front plate = industrial loader application. As Doc stated - not a combine engine.
	When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money..

SteveM C/IL Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8547	Post Options Post Reply Quote SteveM C/IL Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 3 hours 52 minutes ago at 12:12pm
	Uses same oil filters as 8000's with 426 engines