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Posted: 04 Feb 2025 at 7:47pm |
I found a slightly better candidate for fixing up than the $50 Roto-baler I bought last year. This one is a 1960 white top with overdrive.
The roof is slightly bowed in from someone probably storing something on top of it, and the safety shields over the intake are missing. Otherwise it seems to be in good shape and has spent most of its life inside. I am going to have to break down and get belts for it - they didn't look bad from the ad, but the lowers are delaminating.
I must be nuts to put $800 worth of belts onto a baler so I can bale and hopefully sell $100 of straw this year?
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Posted: 04 Feb 2025 at 8:20pm |
You'd only be crazy if you try to transition it into something else, other than what it IS... 
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Posted: 05 Feb 2025 at 5:27am |
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They actually made fewer white tops with overdrive than number 10's. I have some barely used spliced bales if you need some
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Posted: 05 Feb 2025 at 6:51pm |
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They actually made fewer white tops with overdrive than number 10's. I have some barely used spliced bales if you need some |
That is an interesting point - supposedly 750 white tops with overdrive, vs. 1500 #10s? Of course, an unconverted #10 would still be much rarer. I'll send over a PM about belts.
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Posted: 10 Feb 2025 at 6:33pm |
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Overdrive? Also, my question, been around them but they were "not overdrive".
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Posted: 10 Feb 2025 at 7:53pm |
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Isn't that the Reversing Gear?
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Posted: 10 Feb 2025 at 9:19pm |
It kicks in to increase the speed during the twine wrapping cycle, then kicks back out when ejecting the bale. It just sped up the wrapping by a few seconds. I'm pretty sure I've seen a video of one in the field on YouTube but I'm not sure I could find it again. They talk about it briefly during the Roto-baler history walk at the Orange Spectacular:
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Posted: 11 Feb 2025 at 8:09am |
wjohn wrote:
It kicks in to increase the speed during the twine wrapping cycle, then kicks back out when ejecting the bale. It just sped up the wrapping by a few seconds. I'm pretty sure I've seen a video of one in the field on YouTube but I'm not sure I could find it again. They talk about it briefly during the Roto-baler history walk at the Orange Spectacular:
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Speaking of Hutchinson, are you going to be in attendance this year?
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Posted: 11 Feb 2025 at 3:50pm |
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The need for speed is just part of a man....
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Posted: 11 Feb 2025 at 7:50pm |
IBWD MIke wrote:
Speaking of Hutchinson, are you going to be in attendance this year? |
I hope so! I won't be bringing anything to show, but I'd like to get up there and see folks again and buy another truckload of parts. It will depend on how much vacation I have left after farm activities. You going to be up there again?
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Posted: 11 Feb 2025 at 7:53pm |
SteveM C/IL wrote:
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Ha! Ideally the bales would shoot out the back quickly onto a rack too and I'd be baling in record time... but can't have everything. I have always wondered if anybody ever made a tow behind sort of drag accumulator to group a few bales together in the field.
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Posted: 11 Feb 2025 at 8:04pm |
wjohn wrote:
SteveM C/IL wrote:
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Ha! Ideally the bales would shoot out the back quickly onto a rack too and I'd be baling in record time... but can't have everything. I have always wondered if anybody ever made a tow behind sort of drag accumulator to group a few bales together in the field. |
Back when I was farming, I took a 4 wheeler with a snowplow, start in the middle of the field, and drop the plow to an inch or so off the field, start pushing the row of bales toward an edge. When I couldn't push no more, I turned around and pushed toward the other edge. Then pushed from the edge toward each pile in the middle, the resulting piles might be 30, might be 50 bales. Sure saved a lot of labor and walking...
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Posted: 12 Feb 2025 at 8:00am |
back when Dad still had a Rotobaler, my oldest brother would gather the bales with a Farmhand F10 mounted on a WC. My other brother and I would be up in the hay mow stacking them. Of course it was always the hottest day of summer…not the slightest breeze either. Sweat like an old mule! Later, Dad got an F20 to mount the Farmhand on. It was better suited for the task beings it was heavier and you sat up higher. (forget any semblance to “speed-shifting”) We stacked a lot of hay using that rig, then later we stacked chopped hay in a cage. The D17 Diesel & #50 chopper did the job.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2025 at 8:42am |
wjohn wrote:
IBWD MIke wrote:
Speaking of Hutchinson, are you going to be in attendance this year? |
I hope so! I won't be bringing anything to show, but I'd like to get up there and see folks again and buy another truckload of parts. It will depend on how much vacation I have left after farm activities. You going to be up there again? |
Oh yeah. Booked my room the day I checked out last summer. probably drag the 45 and a 73 plow up with me again. Wish it was feasible to remove the wheel weights so I could pull it in more than one class. I suppose I could take the NFE tractor, easy enough to strip 1000 lbs. off of it.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2025 at 12:33pm |
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I have a parts baler with the Overdrive all complete with the OD and related gearbox etc.If someone needed would give them a very good price.Or take the whole baler
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Posted: 12 Feb 2025 at 7:14pm |
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There is a thread we started a while back about a bale loader made by hansen. The only one i have ever seen was on a 1/16 model made by the guy out in Arizona who makes those amazing precision models. I think it might have worked ok with a number ten but with a standard rotobaler the guy on the wagon would probably be on the ground by the end of the first round
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Posted: 12 Feb 2025 at 8:07pm |
Gatz in NE wrote:
back when Dad still had a Rotobaler, my oldest brother would gather the bales with a Farmhand F10 mounted on a WC. My other brother and I would be up in the hay mow stacking them. Of course it was always the hottest day of summer…not the slightest breeze either. Sweat like an old mule!Later, Dad got an F20 to mount the Farmhand on. It was better suited for the task beings it was heavier and you sat up higher. (forget any semblance to “speed-shifting”) We stacked a lot of hay using that rig, then later we stacked chopped hay in a cage. The D17 Diesel & #50 chopper did the job.
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You know, I have a Farmhand F11 on one of my D19s. That's not a bad idea... I could build some sort of accumulator for the front of it and gather up bales that way.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2025 at 8:16pm |
IBWD MIke wrote:
Oh yeah. Booked my room the day I checked out last summer. probably drag the 45 and a 73 plow up with me again. Wish it was feasible to remove the wheel weights so I could pull it in more than one class. I suppose I could take the NFE tractor, easy enough to strip 1000 lbs. off of it.
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Just put some big old wing nuts on the bolts for tool-less removal and we'll get as many guys as we can to help hold everything when the weights fall down, ha!
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Posted: 12 Feb 2025 at 8:24pm |
dr p wrote:
There is a thread we started a while back about a bale loader made by hansen. The only one i have ever seen was on a 1/16 model made by the guy out in Arizona who makes those amazing precision models. I think it might have worked ok with a number ten but with a standard rotobaler the guy on the wagon would probably be on the ground by the end of the first round |
I found the thread of Armand's model and that is neat. In the last post a guy says they had one at Hutch once. I wonder if I can find any footage of it from prior year Hutch videos on YT.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2025 at 9:30pm |
[/QUOTE]
You know, I have a Farmhand F11 on one of my D19s. That's not a bad idea... I could build some sort of accumulator for the front of it and gather up bales that way. [/QUOTE]
We just used the standard “sweep” on the F11 to accumulate the bales and bring them into the Sandwich elevator, thence up to the hay mow.
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Posted: Yesterday at 4:53am |
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Is this the type of loader you are discussing?
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I mounted a Hansen loader on my number 10 and used it at Hutch. It did not work to well. The bales fell back into the belts. I gave up on it and it now resides on Gary Agrimison's number 10 engine drive baler which is displayed every year at the Hutch show.
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Posted: Yesterday at 9:24am |
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Lon, you moved a lot farther into Wisconsin than I thought you were! Had it in my head you were going to be somewhere near Ted? You are on my radar if my big goof off trip happens this summer.
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Posted: 15 hours 8 minutes ago at 6:33pm |
Lon(MN) wrote:
I mounted a Hansen loader on my number 10 and used it at Hutch. It did not work to well. The bales fell back into the belts. I gave up on it and it now resides on Gary Agrimison's number 10 engine drive baler which is displayed every year at the Hutch show. |
So, that means I must have seen it in person last summer and didn't register it... I must have been too busy learning all I could from the guru of breaking down and hauling Rotobalers on trailers. I'll have to pay more attention this year.
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Posted: 2 hours 16 minutes ago at 7:25am |
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Lon, you moved a lot farther into Wisconsin than I thought you were! Had it in my head you were going to be somewhere near Ted? You are on my radar if my big goof off trip happens this summer. |
I hope you will be able to stop by. I am always somewhere near Ted.
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Posted: 2 hours 14 minutes ago at 7:27am |
wjohn wrote:
Lon(MN) wrote:
I mounted a Hansen loader on my number 10 and used it at Hutch. It did not work to well. The bales fell back into the belts. I gave up on it and it now resides on Gary Agrimison's number 10 engine drive baler which is displayed every year at the Hutch show. |
So, that means I must have seen it in person last summer and didn't register it... I must have been too busy learning all I could from the guru of breaking down and hauling Rotobalers on trailers. I'll have to pay more attention this year. Yep, we walked right by it. The good news it will be there again this year. |
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Posted: 2 hours 10 minutes ago at 7:31am |
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Lon, have a calendar out to plot this summers activities. Need a week or so for the 'goof-off' trip.
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