DEF junk

When I was hauling petroleum products - big sign at GATE on regen of tractor , must be outside of refinery property , NO REGEN on or near any area on property or their frontage road to gate .
  Was bad enough when company filled their bulk tank for tractors and it went below Zero and filters gelled - of over 150  tractors .  I got back to yard after buying 40 gallons of #1 as my tanks were low enough . 
 The full idea of a water based fluid and in a area of freezing temp is another government SCREW UP of some Desk Jockey who doesn't even know how to hold a steering wheel in a Class 8 truck without getting a nose bleed from the height to cab 

More states and industrial side suppliers getting on this train. Does so little while costs so much not just initially but constantly. A running joke as to how much it cleans up the air which is minimal at best.

Engine companies showcase EPA “Estimations” of what level of exchange and conversion these garbage piles perform. Is on the engine company sites, 20-30% particulate reduction which means 20 is typical 30 is likely from a brand new distance driven road tractor in the 11 western states in the Summer. Produces water and Co2 from the CO in exhaust is a flatout lie, the water comes from the DEF not the engine exhaust. As well as with the auto systems even on Gas the US could be witnessing 35-55mpg gasoline cars instead of 22-35 and 8+ instead of 6+ on diesel powered road trucks. Saving Fuel should be priority one not burning more claiming polluting Less, that math does not compute.
VW proved this point with their cheat as the machines passed Drive By emissions checks achieving 45mpg on diesel, was a insider that squealed as to the programming mods to attain mpg and still meet air quality that cost them a bundle. VW in EU achieve close to 50mpg on diesel, 40-45 on gas and 2/3 that here. Science can be fascinating as to finding idiot flaws.

Edited by DMiller - 16 Jan 2025 at 5:45am

yes, but science stands in the way of 'someone' making their 10%

Exactly my issue with the Automotive EPA types. Try to palm off can Destroy base elemental emissions materials, violates physics and chemical laws, develops and implements mechanisms with minimal testing ending up are worse for environment and more costly than just allowing a Minuscule Level of nothing to exist. Create far more problems than reduce

Untill they started putting diesel in cars and pickups diesel fuel was a byproduct and prices were cheap. I remember in the 70s paying a $.25 per gallon 

Fuel oil has always been a left over of making lubricants, same as Gas. Lubricating Base stocks, Paraffin based lubricant greases, heavy oils. Then solvents as gas, and finally the lightest oils and gases.

SteveM C/IL wrote: I know around here diesel was always cheaper than gas until the 80's when they started using diesel engines in cars and pickups

No doubt! Talked to driver dumping fuel at Loves south of Indy. Said 8 tankers a day. That's just one T stop! Can't fathom the gallons in a day across the US. Gasoline is the by product of making enough diesel hence the price.

that is the falicy.... add the DEF and get 20% reduction in smog, but get 30% reduction in MPG.... WTF !! .............Better to go for HIGH EFFICIENCY and it will be CLEAN !!

GEES DAVE.... there a 10,000 guys at the EPA that are HIRED to make STUPID RULES !!!  What do you want to do with them ?. .... Maybe put them in line with the DEI Supervisors ??.... I hear McDonalds needs more french fry cookers !!  

SteveM C/IL wrote: jaybmiller wrote: What boggle my mind is that semi truckers say 8 MPG is GOOD ! 5-6 is normal....could do better (but not a lot) but I don't drive for fuel mileage.

Edited by ekjdm14 - 25 Jan 2025 at 5:55am

A little More Research.

Edited by DMiller - 25 Jan 2025 at 6:45am

jaybmiller wrote: What boggle my mind is that semi truckers say 8 MPG is GOOD !

it is good. It’s fantastic. Put the weight transported in as many F 150’s that it would take and see what the weight per gallon works out to.

DMiller you are right the EPA comes up with the solution to a problem but doesn't consider the long term problems the solution created. It's going to end up being the same thing with wind and solar. This has been discussed before.

Edited by DanWi - 25 Jan 2025 at 8:50am