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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 826 |
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With the good weather over the weekend, I started doing all kinds of tractor stuff. I decided to fire up my 7010 and do some chores. The steering has become quite difficult. I looking for guidance on debugging the issue. The steering was fine when I parked it this past fall from what I remember so this is a mystery why sitting for several months would create this issue. I see Hydraulic fluid in the lower site glass on the back so it has fluid. It was almost 55 degrees so it wasn't that cold. I also worked it for about 30 minutes. Looking at the parts diagram, I have the Orbitrol, the hydraulic pump and the cylinder as culprits. I was able to lift my 3pt disc mower without issue and use the valves to hydraulically raise and lower the mower arm, so I conclude that my hydraulic pump is not the issue but could it be weak? I have to rev the engine all the way up though to get it to steer which might indicate a weak pump. I did not have to reve the engine to get the valve and rear lift to work. The wheels sometimes did not want to turn left or right, so it was hard to steer into intended direction. I did hear some squelching as I tried to turn the wheel sometimes. At this stage, it would not be safe in road gear or maybe any gear for that matter. I know that my 190XT had the orbitrol replaced at one point before my ownership but I do not know the symptoms of a bad orbitrol. I haven't changed the hydraulic filter yet this upcoming season and was going to do that as a first step. I would think a blocked hydro pump though would cause the valves to not work nor would it pickup the mower. Any ideas greatly appreciated! I also just realized there may be 2 pumps on the 7010. If so, that is why rear lift works. Edited by calico190xt68 - 14 Feb 2023 at 10:56am |
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tbran ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Paris Tn Points: 3408 |
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The flow divider in the gear pump is stuck. 70265404 - look it up agcopartsbooks.com
There is a plug on top and bottom - just remember how the spool, orfice, shims and spring comes out. |
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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 826 |
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tbran, thank you for getting me going in a direction. After original posting, I looked closer at the situation and realized that the middle part of the pump handled the steering, hence the name "dual" pump. This is the most likely cause based upon it's behavior. I looked at the parts diagram and I see the two plugs top and bottom and the various parts used. It also shows the order for the various parts. I need a clarification though. If I take it apart, don't I need new parts? Or are you saying that by taking it apart and putting it back together, it will become unstuck? Can I get the parts? I assume you have to take both plugs out on the top and bottom to get the parts out? Is there any trick to get the parts out if they are stuck. Can I leave it on the tractor or does it need to be de-installed. Sorry for all of the questions but this is new territory for me.
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8417 |
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I’ve had this problem in my 7080 for several years, and I’m curious what you find the solution to be. I replaced all three pumps in my tractor with ones from a salvage unit. The issue I had with my remotes didn’t work. Swapping pumps fixed that, and steering improved slightly, but not enough to be a comfortable steering tractor.
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MACK ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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Can all be taken out from bottom plug. Keep track of how and order parts come out. Polish spool to where it slides free. Check for any foreign material. MACK
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youngorange2000 ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 27 Mar 2019 Location: eastcentral MN Points: 314 |
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I have had to clean the flow devider on my 190xt once turns out it was a small piece of junk blocking a hole not much bigger then a pencil lead
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victoryallis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2010 Location: Ludington mi Points: 2876 |
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BTDT done my 8050 it’s not perfect but helped a lot. |
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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 826 |
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OK. This has become much clearer in what I have to do so thanks Mack and everyone else. Here are remaining questions from me before I start. Is it best to leave the pump on the tractor? Do I need to be ready for parts to drop out of the bottom when I remove the plug or can I take them out one at a time? Do I get a rush of hydraulic oil once the plug is removed pushing parts out at the same time? Once everything is removed, do I need to pump air into it to clean out foreign material or something else? Does this process create an air pocket that needs to be cleared? When I get the spool out, I may have some further questions on polishing. I have to finish my 500 loader cylinder rebuilds before I tackle this so it may be a few weeks before I can report back unless I prioritize this first.
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victoryallis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2010 Location: Ludington mi Points: 2876 |
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To polish mine I took a 3/8 or 1/2 wood dowel about 8 inches long and cut a slot in one end about as deep as a ribbon of Emory cloth is wide. Fed the Emory cloth threw the slot and put it in a drill and polished the barrel.
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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 826 |
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Nice tip. So you were polishing only the inside of the barrel and not the outside of the barrel?
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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 826 |
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Thanks Lynn for the pic. I am wondering if the shim and one of the washers are optional from the parts diagram. Looks like the top portion of the parts did not come out of the pump. I only see the bottom portions of parts. Still curious if the pump stays on the tractor or not when this is done.
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victoryallis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2010 Location: Ludington mi Points: 2876 |
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Polish the surface that the left most piece in Lynn’s picture travels against. |
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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 826 |
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Isn't that the inside of the pump housing then?
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Lynn Marshall ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Dana, Iowa Points: 2318 |
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Leave the pump on the tractor. No need to remove the top cap. The orifice disc with the small hole can get restricted and cause problems. The spool should slide in and out of the bore easily. Polish both surfaces the best you can and flush the bore before reassembly. You may have to devise something to pull the spool out if it is stuck. I would also be checking the left hand filter and screen to be sure that they're good.
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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 826 |
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Thanks Lynn for that detailed explanation. It sounds like my problem should be obvious once I disassemble. I might tackle it this weekend since it may not take that much time to do. I will report back my findings.
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victoryallis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2010 Location: Ludington mi Points: 2876 |
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I never got lucky enough to be able to leave the top cap on. For me that spool was firmly stuck.
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Play Farmer ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Jan 2016 Location: NNY Points: 732 |
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For the cost of a seal kit I'd be looking at the steering cylinder too. Much of what you described is what my 7000 was doing. Although that is a different hydraulic pump fixing the cylinder fixed my issue.
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youngorange2000 ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 27 Mar 2019 Location: eastcentral MN Points: 314 |
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+1 on resealing cylinder. Brought mine to a highly regarded hydraulic shop and the owner was too rude to me to earn my buissniss instead bought the agco seal kit for $80 and did it myself in a half an hour so far it's been 3 years with no leaks
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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 826 |
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I think there is a bit of leak on the cylinder and I am getting ready to do my 500 loader cylinders myself so I might be warmed up to do that cylinder too. I bet it comes apart differently though since it is a bit more modern. I would like to do one at a time though to see what my issue really is. I am anticipating finding two things: either a clogged washer or a stuck spool. We will see when I dig into it. Thanks guys for the input! |
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MACK ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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I use a big easyout to get spool out if it is stuck. MACK
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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 826 |
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I was thinking I could take the top cap off and use a punch to drive it out of the bottom if it was stuck but your idea is a little less obtrusive. This all has me wondering why does the spool get stuck? Are parts disintegrating that causes a build up? Do I need to change the hydraulic filter more often? Do I need to get an Agco filter as it might be better?
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plummerscarin ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Jun 2015 Location: ia Points: 3647 |
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A change to a AGCO filter fixed my steering issues on the 7040
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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 826 |
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After I get done fixing this, I think I will get an Agco filter as a safety precaution.
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bigal121892 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 05 Jan 2010 Location: Nebraska Points: 805 |
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Polish it up, it should slide very freely. If it acts up again, within the next 100 hours, then you want to be concerned, and start looking else where for the problem, because at that point the flow divider is now the symptom.
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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 826 |
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Nevermind - I found my manuals.
I hate to ask this but could anyone post the section in the service manual on replacing the hydraulic filters? I believe a 7010, 7020 and 7045 are the same. I have misplaced my $160 service manual and don't want to buy another one until I have exhausted all of the places left to look. Seems there are specific steps on replacing that I need to take. I also wonder if there is a section about the spool replacement that might be handy. Thanks in advance. Edited by calico190xt68 - 17 Feb 2023 at 5:22pm |
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8373 |
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AGCO filters I put in 8070 had papers with drawings of what went where. Not too complex.
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plummerscarin ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Jun 2015 Location: ia Points: 3647 |
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Ditto what Steve said. Instructions came with the filters I put in 7040
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8417 |
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Did you end up getting a chance to work on this yet? Curious what you found.
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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 826 |
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Not yet. I was working on my 190xt this past weekend. I hope to tackle it this weekend though and will definitely report back on what I find.
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