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34 Airflow 
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Posted: 27 Apr 2021 at 5:04am |
I’ve been offered up a United in real rough condition here in Australia. Were all pre 1932 U’s built with United radiator top tanks? The machine I am looking at was a running tractor offered to a museum many years ago and has since been left outside for years. The current owner obtained it from the museum as he was sick of seeing it rotting away. No real progress has been made so this is where I am looking at stepping in.
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1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler
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GreenOrange
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Posted: 27 Apr 2021 at 8:34am |
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Not all of the Continental Us had United on the tank - it seems to depend what dealer network they were sold through. United seems to have dissolved sometime in 1930, so the later ones were all A-C. Naturally, over the last 90 years or so, the radiator tanks have been swapped both directions as needed.
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Posted: 27 Apr 2021 at 3:41pm |
 This one seems very original 
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1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler
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Posted: 27 Apr 2021 at 3:43pm |
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1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler
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Posted: 27 Apr 2021 at 5:16pm |
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Core looks good
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Posted: 27 Apr 2021 at 9:03pm |
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Not all of the Continental Us had United on the tank - it seems to depend what dealer network they were sold through. United seems to have dissolved sometime in 1930, so the later ones were all A-C. Naturally, over the last 90 years or so, the radiator tanks have been swapped both directions as needed. |
Thankyou for that I have a 1937 U but honestly here in Australia I have never seen another United. I have seen another Continental U but it was Allis branded. Will hopefully have this one home in a few weeks and assess it's condition and work out where to start.
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1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler
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Posted: 28 Apr 2021 at 6:24am |
Looking at the sheetmetal, that Tractor for its age and being outside is pretty darn straight! The gas tank doesn't look to have a dent or gouge in it! Looks like just a lot of surface rust that would either sand off or glassbead off okay. Radiator looks pretty sweet to. No damage. Amazing for how old it is, and being in what looks like a scrap yard! Good luck with it. Looks like a great project Tractor with a lot going for it. Steve@B&B
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Posted: 28 Apr 2021 at 7:39am |
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Looks like that tractor has a lot going for it. Glad you are going to rescue it. Hope you keep us informed of your progress. That yard looks like a good place to poke around for other treasures. Dad took me with him to a junk yard once when I was a child back in the mid 1950's and afterwards I told him that when I grew up I wanted to run a junk yard. I'm sure he was thrilled with my ambition. Just seemed to me that there were a lot of interesting things there. I remember too a yard in Columbus, Ohio in the late 50's that had a bunch of steam locomotives piled up like fire wood; maybe 15 -20 as I recall.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2021 at 10:13pm |
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Yeah hoping this isn't going to be too bad, the Magneto looks toast and a few other bolt on items look sad but the bulk of it looks good.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2021 at 10:16pm |
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Posted: 28 Apr 2021 at 10:17pm |
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Posted: 29 Apr 2021 at 4:26am |
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Nice find Travis. All the best with getting it going. Hope to see it at a rally one day. Cheers, Richard
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Posted: 29 Apr 2021 at 6:52pm |
WD in Australia wrote:
Nice find Travis. All the best with getting it going. Hope to see it at a rally one day. Cheers, Richard |
Thanks Richard, fingers crossed!
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Posted: 29 Apr 2021 at 9:45pm |
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I imagine that there were nothing covering the intake and exhaust somewhere during it's life.Hope there were a drain hole so water would run out before running into the main manifold. Good Luck. It will look sweet along side your A.
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Posted: 30 Apr 2021 at 7:43pm |
I am baffled at the carburetor and manifold. Kerosene? Regular Petrol? Or LPG (Liquid Petroleum Gas).
Looks different than the Kingston on mine.
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Posted: 01 May 2021 at 5:42am |
steelwheelAcjim wrote:
I am baffled at the carburetor and manifold. Kerosene? Regular Petrol? Or LPG (Liquid Petroleum Gas).
Looks different than the Kingston on mine. |
I am assuming Kerosene as most tractors sold here in the era were to suit kerosene.
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Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 8:25pm |
Well the United arrived home last night and it is a BIG project, lots of rust and some items I thought Ok were not. I still feel it is better than becoming someone's garden ornament. The fuel tank is full of straw so I assume some rodents living inside which has also caused plenty of rust. The front wheels are worse than first thought with the right hand front rusted right through even claiming a spoke and the left hand one being quite thin. The steering wheel outer rim is gone, bonnet is paper thin and the starter tank is a template only. I will get some more photos over the coming days but I am already making as list of items needed. This is all before we look inside the mechanicals!
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Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 8:30pm |
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Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 8:32pm |
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Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 8:41pm |
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Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 8:45pm |
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Love your pictures. I have seen 1 far worse than that restored. Yes it took cash and a good machinist back in the early 1990's. Go for it. Your probably not going to get a chance to restore another in your lifetime.
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Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 9:46pm |
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Please keep us posted on your progress, so cool to see someone with the same bug we seem to have jump in the deep end with a project like that and so far from as much support as well.
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Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 10:00pm |
What a rare bird this is! You do not see radiators with castings like that.
Just have to ask, is there a chance you might post a pic of Grandma's "A"?
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Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 10:05pm |
I will dig one out from a few weeks ago. This weekend I will get the United turned around and get a good shot of the two extremes of my collection 
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Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 10:20pm |
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Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 10:21pm |
Edited by 34 Airflow - 11 Jul 2021 at 10:21pm
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Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 7:52am |
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That manifold is very rare, have only seen one other like it on a U, and it is in Nebraska.
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Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 8:09am |
Very nice looking A, bet you enjoy it a lot. Hope you keep us up to date on the United restoration now that you have our attention. Seems you have at least a couple of rare items on that tractor. I see in the background of a couple of your pictures some AC orange chairs and an unusual, at least to us here in the US, looking automobile. Looks like you may be working on that too. Can you tell us what it is? It's more efficient to have more than one project at a time you know. Thanks for the pictures, Russell.
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Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 10:01am |
I'm guessing that the car is a Jaguar. I notice your boat has the steering wheel on the wrong side. Is that an import?
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Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 1:40pm |
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How is the Continental engine tag stamped? Any different than a gas model?
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