United project
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Topic: United project
Posted By: 34 Airflow
Subject: United project
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2021 at 5:04am
I’ve been offered up a United in real rough condition here in Australia. Were all pre 1932 U’s built with United radiator top tanks? The machine I am looking at was a running tractor offered to a museum many years ago and has since been left outside for years. The current owner obtained it from the museum as he was sick of seeing it rotting away. No real progress has been made so this is where I am looking at stepping in.
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: GreenOrange
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2021 at 8:34am
Not all of the Continental Us had United on the tank - it seems to depend what dealer network they were sold through. United seems to have dissolved sometime in 1930, so the later ones were all A-C. Naturally, over the last 90 years or so, the radiator tanks have been swapped both directions as needed.
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2021 at 3:41pm
 This one seems very original
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2021 at 3:43pm

------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: JPG AUSTRALIA
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2021 at 5:16pm
Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2021 at 9:03pm
GreenOrange wrote:
Not all of the Continental Us had United on the tank - it seems to depend what dealer network they were sold through. United seems to have dissolved sometime in 1930, so the later ones were all A-C. Naturally, over the last 90 years or so, the radiator tanks have been swapped both directions as needed. |
Thankyou for that I have a 1937 U but honestly here in Australia I have never seen another United. I have seen another Continental U but it was Allis branded. Will hopefully have this one home in a few weeks and assess it's condition and work out where to start.
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2021 at 6:24am
Looking at the sheetmetal, that Tractor for its age and being outside is pretty darn straight! The gas tank doesn't look to have a dent or gouge in it! Looks like just a lot of surface rust that would either sand off or glassbead off okay. Radiator looks pretty sweet to. No damage. Amazing for how old it is, and being in what looks like a scrap yard! Good luck with it. Looks like a great project Tractor with a lot going for it. Steve@B&B
------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife
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Posted By: ac hunter
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2021 at 7:39am
Looks like that tractor has a lot going for it. Glad you are going to rescue it. Hope you keep us informed of your progress. That yard looks like a good place to poke around for other treasures. Dad took me with him to a junk yard once when I was a child back in the mid 1950's and afterwards I told him that when I grew up I wanted to run a junk yard. I'm sure he was thrilled with my ambition. Just seemed to me that there were a lot of interesting things there. I remember too a yard in Columbus, Ohio in the late 50's that had a bunch of steam locomotives piled up like fire wood; maybe 15 -20 as I recall.
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2021 at 10:13pm
Yeah hoping this isn't going to be too bad, the Magneto looks toast and a few other bolt on items look sad but the bulk of it looks good.
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2021 at 10:16pm
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2021 at 10:17pm
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: WD in Australia
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2021 at 4:26am
Nice find Travis. All the best with getting it going. Hope to see it at a rally one day. Cheers, Richard
------------- WD(NF), WD45(WF), WD45D(WF), XT190D(WF), Model U, Gleaner C, All Crop 60, Rotobaler
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2021 at 6:52pm
WD in Australia wrote:
Nice find Travis. All the best with getting it going. Hope to see it at a rally one day. Cheers, Richard |
Thanks Richard, fingers crossed!
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2021 at 9:45pm
I imagine that there were nothing covering the intake and exhaust somewhere during it's life.Hope there were a drain hole so water would run out before running into the main manifold. Good Luck. It will look sweet along side your A.
------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that."
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Posted By: steelwheelAcjim
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2021 at 7:43pm
I am baffled at the carburetor and manifold. Kerosene? Regular Petrol? Or LPG (Liquid Petroleum Gas).
Looks different than the Kingston on mine.
------------- Pre-WW2 A-C tractors on steel wheels...because I'm too cheap to buy tires!
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 01 May 2021 at 5:42am
steelwheelAcjim wrote:
I am baffled at the carburetor and manifold. Kerosene? Regular Petrol? Or LPG (Liquid Petroleum Gas).
Looks different than the Kingston on mine. |
I am assuming Kerosene as most tractors sold here in the era were to suit kerosene.
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 8:25pm
Well the United arrived home last night and it is a BIG project, lots of rust and some items I thought Ok were not. I still feel it is better than becoming someone's garden ornament. The fuel tank is full of straw so I assume some rodents living inside which has also caused plenty of rust. The front wheels are worse than first thought with the right hand front rusted right through even claiming a spoke and the left hand one being quite thin. The steering wheel outer rim is gone, bonnet is paper thin and the starter tank is a template only. I will get some more photos over the coming days but I am already making as list of items needed. This is all before we look inside the mechanicals!
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 8:30pm
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 8:32pm
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 8:41pm

------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 8:45pm
Love your pictures. I have seen 1 far worse than that restored. Yes it took cash and a good machinist back in the early 1990's. Go for it. Your probably not going to get a chance to restore another in your lifetime.
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Posted By: Wispitfiremike
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 9:46pm
Please keep us posted on your progress, so cool to see someone with the same bug we seem to have jump in the deep end with a project like that and so far from as much support as well.
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Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 10:00pm
What a rare bird this is! You do not see radiators with castings like that.
Just have to ask, is there a chance you might post a pic of Grandma's "A"?
------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 10:05pm
I will dig one out from a few weeks ago. This weekend I will get the United turned around and get a good shot of the two extremes of my collection
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 10:20pm
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 10:21pm

------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: David Maddux
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 7:52am
That manifold is very rare, have only seen one other like it on a U, and it is in Nebraska.
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Posted By: ac hunter
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 8:09am
Very nice looking A, bet you enjoy it a lot. Hope you keep us up to date on the United restoration now that you have our attention. Seems you have at least a couple of rare items on that tractor. I see in the background of a couple of your pictures some AC orange chairs and an unusual, at least to us here in the US, looking automobile. Looks like you may be working on that too. Can you tell us what it is? It's more efficient to have more than one project at a time you know. Thanks for the pictures, Russell.
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Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 10:01am
I'm guessing that the car is a Jaguar. I notice your boat has the steering wheel on the wrong side. Is that an import?
------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446
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Posted By: GreenOrange
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 1:40pm
How is the Continental engine tag stamped? Any different than a gas model?
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 5:26pm
ac hunter wrote:
Very nice looking A, bet you enjoy it a lot. Hope you keep us up to date on the United restoration now that you have our attention. Seems you have at least a couple of rare items on that tractor. I see in the background of a couple of your pictures some AC orange chairs and an unusual, at least to us here in the US, looking automobile. Looks like you may be working on that too. Can you tell us what it is? It's more efficient to have more than one project at a time you know. Thanks for the pictures, Russell. |
Hi Russell,
The car is actually a 1934 Chrysler Airflow sedan, factory RHD. So far I have completed some bodywork on it but most of my time since finishing the model A has been located missing parts for it. The Airflow is a long term project. The United has just jumped the queue!
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 5:28pm
john(MI) wrote:
I'm guessing that the car is a Jaguar. I notice your boat has the steering wheel on the wrong side. Is that an import?
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Oddly here in Australia boats were built with the steering wheel on the wrong side. I restored this one around 12 years ago it was built only a couple of hours from my place in the mid 1960's and is powered by a Dodge Sidevalve 6. I purchased the boat from the original owner and returned it to completely original condition.
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 5:31pm
GreenOrange wrote:
How is the Continental engine tag stamped? Any different than a gas model? |
Here is the tag;
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 6:03pm
I'm of the belief that all boats are right hand drive as the weight of the driver offsets the torque from the propellerlifting the starboard side.
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Posted By: GreenOrange
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 9:06pm
Thanks for the picture of the tag. Appears to be standard earlier S10 markings.
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2021 at 8:07pm
 
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2021 at 10:37pm
Clean filter three times daily? That would've been fun. I guess I've never paid attention to the air filters on these before as I've never had anything older than a late '39 B with the more standard oil bath air cleaner style from on up into the '50s.
------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45
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Posted By: ac hunter
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2021 at 7:46am
Wonder if anyone ever cleaned the filter 3 times a day. The Chrysler is an interesting looking vehicle. I have seen a very few Airflows but didn't recognize yours as such. Guessing that is the source of your forum name; obvious now. Hope you can find all the parts you need. The center of the engine tag is interesting too. "Powerful as the nation". We will all be watching for updates to your progress on this project. Thanks for the info and pictures.
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Posted By: structures
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2021 at 3:46pm
Nice! Hope you keep the pictures coming.
------------- Robert http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82702&KW=structures&title=structures-1964-allis-d15-series-ii" rel="nofollow - 1964 D15 Series II
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2021 at 7:03pm
ac hunter wrote:
Wonder if anyone ever cleaned the filter 3 times a day. The Chrysler is an interesting looking vehicle. The center of the engine tag is interesting too. "Powerful as the nation". We will all be watching for updates to your progress on this project. Thanks for the info and pictures. |
I certainly think it's overdue now! 
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2021 at 7:45pm
You truly have a gift if you can get it going again, Way more work than I would take on but I’m glad someone cares that much to save her. Good luck, looking forward to seeing updates.
------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2021 at 11:20pm
AC720Man wrote:
You truly have a gift if you can get it going again, Way more work than I would take on but I’m glad someone cares that much to save her. Good luck, looking forward to seeing updates. |
Thanks, although time will tell how this will go. My previous restorations have not been too ambitious with tractors to date so this will be a real test, but the inspiration has come from Jacob with his 6-12 project. For me the tractor is far too rare out here to see it in someones garden rotting further, and the seller was of the same opinion. For now I am going to just slowly chip away at pulling the tractor down to assess what needs doing and how much damage has been done sitting around. The tractor was running in the early 1990's when donated to a museum from what I have been told.
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2021 at 6:27pm
The serial number below appears to be U454?
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: Jacob (WI,ND)
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 10:47am
Travis, I'm humbled at the fact that you are inspired by my crazy projects. But I guess that is what it is all about, trying to encourage others to tackle a project a little bigger than you are comfortable with. That is how you learn and increase your skills. I know I have the last couple of years. It's funny how you mention me, because as I look at your pics, I am drooling, this is exactly the kind of piece I am drawn too. A project! You have absolutely nothing to loose by taking it apart and fixing it, because it is no good the way it is (besides yard art, and it's too nice for that). Keep us posted, I'll be following this with much interest! To me the serial number looks like U1454 ? I'll be the first to admit that I don't know much about the U world though, I have yet to dive down that rabbit hole. I guess I better be careful, you may make me want to get a U after watching your restoration....
------------- Jacob Swanson 1920 6-12; 1925,1926 20-35 longfenders; 1925,1926 15-25's; 1927,1929 20-35 shortfenders; C; B's; IB; WC's; WD; WD45
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 5:19pm
Jacob (WI,ND) wrote:
Travis, I'm humbled at the fact that you are inspired by my crazy projects. But I guess that is what it is all about, trying to encourage others to tackle a project a little bigger than you are comfortable with. That is how you learn and increase your skills. I know I have the last couple of years. It's funny how you mention me, because as I look at your pics, I am drooling, this is exactly the kind of piece I am drawn too. A project! You have absolutely nothing to loose by taking it apart and fixing it, because it is no good the way it is (besides yard art, and it's too nice for that). Keep us posted, I'll be following this with much interest!To me the serial number looks like U1454 ? I'll be the first to admit that I don't know much about the U world though, I have yet to dive down that rabbit hole. I guess I better be careful, you may make me want to get a U after watching your restoration.... |
Thanks Jacob, although I don't think it will be as fast as your 6-12 restoration! With the serial number I posted it as I am unsure, the 1 seems to be punched at a different angle and could be a / ? I have a UM powered U and the number on it is very clear and no / . Hoping someone may know for sure. Apart from the rear wheels being free, nothing else is so far. I will start a rough plan of attack and hunting a few basic odds and ends soon.
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 5:29pm
The starting tank has seen better days, but on the plus side I have a template!
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: PaulRoidt(WI)
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 5:45pm
Very interesting low grade fuel manifold and carburetor. Similar design to a distillate manifold used on 20-35's that seems to more common outside the US, but still very rare. Will be interesting to see it disassembled.
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Posted By: Layne
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2021 at 7:32pm
Nice tractor! Your serial number is 1454. The brake should prove that, as they switched from a brake pedal to a hand lever at #1008. Mine is #1005 and has the pedal. Mine also has the 1 made with a chisel instead of a proper number stamp, just like yours. Later ones I've seen had a proper number 1.
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Posted By: everett048
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2021 at 12:48pm
I have a good one of those tanks
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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2021 at 11:52pm
You two are worlds apart Mark, but I'm betting he'll want your tank!
Its good to see a younger man want to tackle something like this project Travis! Keep the pics coming and GOOD LUCK with this vast undertaking!
------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2021 at 2:24pm
Layne wrote:
Nice tractor! Your serial number is 1454. The brake should prove that, as they switched from a brake pedal to a hand lever at #1008. Mine is #1005 and has the pedal. Mine also has the 1 made with a chisel instead of a proper number stamp, just like yours. Later ones I've seen had a proper number 1. |
Thanks for that, I suspected it was a rough 1 given how untouched the tractor is but given how crude it was I couldn't be certain. Thanks Layne!
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2021 at 2:26pm
everett048 wrote:
I have a good one of those tanks |
Sounds like I best send you a message!
In the meantime I found 3 front wheels and a fuel tank at a local auction so they will be coming home soon and Jacob sent a much needed parts manual which arrived today too!
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2022 at 11:44pm
Well thanks to this forum, Mark and I agreed on price and today the tank arrived! I will get some photos over the weekend as I have also had a few other items arrive for this project.
------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/
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