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BobDinNC 
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Posted: 21 May 2020 at 2:03pm |
Has anyone else had a problem getting a good match for PO with PPG 60080? I have used PPG acrylic urethane single stage paint - formula 60080 for years with perfect match each time it was mixed. However, a few weeks ago the clerk said there was a change to the formula and when I spayed it, the result was not a match. It is too red - somewhere between PO and PO #2.
I am happy to report that the local PPG auto paint store kept working at the formula and came up with a very good match still using the acrylic urethane direct gloss paint I had been using. Reportedly the solution involved switching to a lighter shade of yellow in the formula. I am off and running on painting the 1949 G that will match the 1948 G that I restored a few years ago.
Edited by BobDinNC - 07 Jun 2020 at 4:21pm
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WLHD21
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Posted: 21 May 2020 at 2:35pm |
Same problem, was told the red toner has lead in it now they want us to use water based paint, Now they want to color match with computer to an original paint sample. Got to love the EPA for stopping all the people that drink paint.  
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chaskaduo
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Posted: 21 May 2020 at 3:28pm |
No we gotta save the kiddies out knawing on the tractor cause their hungry. Lead is used in a lot of things like plastic and mold releases etc. There are so frigin worried about us and other restorers that they miss where the real problems lay. So let more Chinese Crap through that don't seem to have to pass the same standard verbiage wise. (One thing is interpreted as another!) And someone gets paid off.
I'm sorry I Rant. Work as Environmental Coordinator in the 90's.
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C in Concord
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Posted: 21 May 2020 at 4:00pm |
Heard a similar story when I bought my paint last week. Went with the YS073 code in a Nason single stage urethane instead. Looks good to my eye... Definitely less red in it than the rattle can stuff I've used. Ben
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Rick of HopeIN
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Posted: 21 May 2020 at 4:54pm |
I am using Nason 2K Urethane now. Planning to try color spray tomorrow if the weather holds out. They matched the battery box to my B pretty close. It was done with Van Sickle PO #1 that I am OK with. I added a pic at bottom. I think the Van Sickle tended toward too red also as it got sun. Seems like I had seen that YS074 was supposed to be the newer Dupont code for PO #1 but I can't remember where I saw it. The old spray out was below.   Just beware, the hardeners in these paints are very dangerous to lungs, eyes, skin until they cure out. Wear all the PPE you can afford. 
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BobDinNC
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Posted: 23 May 2020 at 9:46am |
WLHD21, do you have the formula for the paint you bought? I assume you got a good match. Take the PPG consumer label off the can and you will find the mixture used. Here is what I have that comes out too red. uploads/750/Can_with_label.jpg
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Bill_MN
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Posted: 23 May 2020 at 10:45am |
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Yes, a lot of the old formulas have changed. I've gotten paint matched for a 1989 Mustang twice in the last 3 years and both times I went in they said some of the pigments were discontinued from last time! Fortunately the new formula was a pretty good match but a lot of the red/orange/yellow colors had nasty stuff in them back in the day. It's not just lead, a lot of the natural sources of pigments are highly toxic compounds and are hazardous to manufacture.
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Posted: 23 May 2020 at 4:02pm |
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BobDinNC
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Posted: 23 May 2020 at 6:45pm |
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Have you bought any since PPG changed the formula for 60080? Did you use 60080 as the code for the UAE 360? Does it give a true color similar to what was produced by Omni/Shopline acrylic urethane? I don't mind switching to something else as long as I can get the right color. I'm restoring a '49 G and I want the color to match the "48 G I restored a couple years ago.
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Glenn (NJ)
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Posted: 23 May 2020 at 7:21pm |
Last winter my PPG jobber told me that the formulary no longer had a mix for acrylic enamel, only for the single stage urethane, and that was based on leaded orange and leaded yellow toner are that are NLA. One of their other locations supposedly had the correct toner available. They had the paint mixed there and transferred to them. This is what I got:  the top stick is a mix from a few years back. Naturally I wasn’t happy having just spent $600 for 3 gallons of this stuff. I sprayed a test panel of the old mix and had them fix it. I'm not sure what they did since with this social distancing stuff it was a curb pickup and I didn't get to talk with the tech that fixed it.  Anyway, this is it on the B: 
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Posted: 23 May 2020 at 7:43pm |
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If you’re looking for ppg paint forget the automotive stores and go to the ppg stores that sell house paint and industrial paint. They have an ag color chart in their industrial line and they have several correct colors for JD and caseih among others because they sell paint to the manufacturers. I’ve never had a problem getting a Persian 1 or 2 color match as long as I take a sample with me. Their high solids acrylic enamel and single stage urethane cover and spray better than omni or ppg auto urethane.
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Posted: 24 May 2020 at 7:50am |
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The last Orange Allis used was Corporate Orange , it had more red to it , rumor I've heard is that's the normal now for all AC color thru paint makers, don't know for sure but I've heard that
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Posted: 24 May 2020 at 3:14pm |
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Thanks for the info. I'll start looking for a home/industrial paint store.
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TMiller/NC
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Posted: 24 May 2020 at 3:45pm |
PPG has evidently changed their formulas, bought a qt of 60080 was so far off color I thought I had given the wrong number. Sent it back and they replaced it, sent a breather cap with correct color, haven't tried it yet. There is a PPG house and Industrial paint dealer just a mile from house and he said the color additives weren't the same as Automotive paint.
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Posted: 24 May 2020 at 9:00pm |
 TMiller/NC wrote:
PPG has evidently changed their formulas, bought a qt of 60080 was so far off color I thought I had given the wrong number. Sent it back and they replaced it, sent a breather cap with correct color, haven't tried it yet. There is a PPG house and Industrial paint dealer just a mile from house and he said the color additives weren't the same as Automotive paint.
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That’s right. It shouldn’t be that way but the industrial and automotive code numbers don’t crossover. If you can get a sample color close enough to what you’re looking for the industrial side can match it and they should be able to keep that match on file for you.
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Posted: 24 May 2020 at 9:04pm |
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I guess i dont get it.... SOMEBODY screwed up... If they had 60080 and then CHANGED the adatives....... you should STILL have the same color .... if you dont, then its not 60080 anymore ? Not saying it didnt happen, but SOMEBODY SCREWED UP !
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Posted: 25 May 2020 at 8:05am |
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I just checked last week they said 60080 no longer available because of the additives to get the correct color they said bring a sample and they can shot it and should be able to match so I will know in a couple weeks let you know how it comes out
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Posted: 26 May 2020 at 10:39am |
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When I ask for the PPG industrial paints they quoted a price for DEVGUARD 4308 ALKYD INSTUSTIRAL GLOSS ENAMEL. Is that what I should be looking for? It was only $43/gallon and I've been paying $35/qt for the automotive paint.
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Posted: 26 May 2020 at 8:43pm |
BobDinNC wrote:
When I ask for the PPG industrial paints they quoted a price for DEVGUARD 4308 ALKYD INSTUSTIRAL GLOSS ENAMEL. Is that what I should be looking for? It was only $43/gallon and I've been paying $35/qt for the automotive paint.
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Their high grade products begin with a “QT”. The QT380 is a urethane that is high quality. QT150 is a high solids acrylic enamel. You can find all of their industrial products on the PPG FINE FINISH web site
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Posted: 26 May 2020 at 9:16pm |
No Bob........... you should not be using an alkyd enamel... Thats generic paint you get at the hardware store to paint the kids swing set...
You are looking for an acrylic enamel which is automotive paint... as mentioned , for more money you can get Urethane or Epoxy, but the ACRYLIC is good quality paint.
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Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 5:18am |
Tom,
Are anyone else, Were you able to get a good PPG match on the newest 60080 formula? I need to get PO #1 for my 1949 C that I have been restoring. If so can you provide the formula information. Thanks, Tim
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Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 7:11pm |
I used the nason On my rims and I thought it looked nice.  
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Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 8:02pm |
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Thanks 55allis for your info. Today I found out that the local PPG paint shop at the NAPA store found 2 quarts remaining of the orange toner M130 from a sister store. He is getting that M130 toner and can make up the paint I need for painting my model C project so for now I have found what I need. Cheers, Tim
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Posted: 27 Jul 2020 at 3:30pm |
another update on PPG Persian Orange #1 paint #60080.
I was not able to get the remaining PPG toner M130 which is discontinued as expected.
But my local PPG paint guy called the PPG library and was able to get an updated non-leaded MTK 60080 formula that has been created by PPG to replace the leaded 60080 formula. The same PO #1 formula number is used i.e., 60080.
I did not get a copy of the formula but the leaded toners M130 (orange) and M114 (yellow) were dropped and replaced by different toners.
The updated non-leaded 60080 formula is not in the PPG database yet so when a PPG rep looks it up they only find the leaded formula. Have them call the PPG library and get the non-leaded 60080 formula for your paint.
I got a sample to test out and below is a quick tests. Let me know what ya'll think of the color.
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Posted: 27 Jul 2020 at 3:36pm |
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Looks really close. Do they call it spectramaster yellow?
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Posted: 27 Jul 2020 at 3:45pm |
55allis,
I did not see the name spectramaster yellow listed. There is a yellow toner M115 used.
For PPG paint it still goes by the code 60080.
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Posted: 29 Nov 2020 at 10:03pm |
kelso wrote:
another update on PPG Persian Orange #1 paint #60080.
I was not able to get the remaining PPG toner M130 which is discontinued as expected.
But my local PPG paint guy called the PPG library and was able to get an updated non-leaded MTK 60080 formula that has been created by PPG to replace the leaded 60080 formula. The same PO #1 formula number is used i.e., 60080.
I did not get a copy of the formula but the leaded toners M130 (orange) and M114 (yellow) were dropped and replaced by different toners.
The updated non-leaded 60080 formula is not in the PPG database yet so when a PPG rep looks it up they only find the leaded formula. Have them call the PPG library and get the non-leaded 60080 formula for your paint. |
Has anybody tried this yet? I may have some painting I need to do soon, and was just curious.
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Posted: 30 Nov 2020 at 1:16pm |
I would talk to your local Supplier or Body Shop to see if he has the info.. If not, have him call...
The updated non-leaded 60080 formula is not in the PPG database yet so when a PPG rep looks it up they only find the leaded formula. Have them call the PPG library and get the non-leaded 60080 formula for your paint.
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Posted: 01 Dec 2020 at 8:54am |
steve(ill) wrote:
I would talk to your local Supplier or Body Shop to see if he has the info.. If not, have him call...
The updated non-leaded 60080 formula is not in the PPG database yet so when a PPG rep looks it up they only find the leaded formula. Have them call the PPG library and get the non-leaded 60080 formula for your paint. |
Thanks, I appreciate this. Making a note in my hardcopy files of tractor stuff for my WD when buying paint.
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Posted: 01 Dec 2020 at 10:36pm |
Hi Garden_guy,
Sorry for the delay in giving an update on the PPG paint.
I have been painting a lot
since July and below is a photo of my painting tractor parts with the
new non-lead PPG 60080. The lighting does play with the tone color.
This is under fluorescent lighting.
I have most parts painted and will show more pictures as I get the C together.
Tim
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