PPG Persian Orange SOLVED
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Topic: PPG Persian Orange SOLVED
Posted By: BobDinNC
Subject: PPG Persian Orange SOLVED
Date Posted: 21 May 2020 at 2:03pm
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Has anyone else had a problem getting a good match for PO with PPG 60080? I have used PPG acrylic urethane single stage paint - formula 60080 for years with perfect match each time it was mixed. However, a few weeks ago the clerk said there was a change to the formula and when I spayed it, the result was not a match. It is too red - somewhere between PO and PO #2. I am happy to report that the local PPG auto paint store kept working at the formula and came up with a very good match still using the acrylic urethane direct gloss paint I had been using. Reportedly the solution involved switching to a lighter shade of yellow in the formula. I am off and running on painting the 1949 G that will match the 1948 G that I restored a few years ago.
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Posted By: WLHD21
Date Posted: 21 May 2020 at 2:35pm
Same problem, was told the red toner has lead in it now they want us to use water based paint, Now they want to color match with computer to an original paint sample. Got to love the EPA for stopping all the people that drink paint.  
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Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 21 May 2020 at 3:28pm
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No we gotta save the kiddies out knawing on the tractor cause their hungry. Lead is used in a lot of things like plastic and mold releases etc. There are so frigin worried about us and other restorers that they miss where the real problems lay. So let more Chinese Crap through that don't seem to have to pass the same standard verbiage wise. (One thing is interpreted as another!) And someone gets paid off.
I'm sorry I Rant. Work as Environmental Coordinator in the 90's. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: C in Concord
Date Posted: 21 May 2020 at 4:00pm
Heard a similar story when I bought my paint last week. Went with the YS073 code in a Nason single stage urethane instead. Looks good to my eye... Definitely less red in it than the rattle can stuff I've used.  Ben ------------- Leave things better than you found them. 1941 Model C (restored 2020) |
Posted By: Rick of HopeIN
Date Posted: 21 May 2020 at 4:54pm
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I am using Nason 2K Urethane now. Planning to try color spray tomorrow if the weather holds out. They matched the battery box to my B pretty close. It was done with Van Sickle PO #1 that I am OK with. I added a pic at bottom. I think the Van Sickle tended toward too red also as it got sun. Seems like I had seen that YS074 was supposed to be the newer Dupont code for PO #1 but I can't remember where I saw it. The old spray out was below.   Just beware, the hardeners in these paints are very dangerous to lungs, eyes, skin until they cure out. Wear all the PPE you can afford.  ------------- 1951 B, 1937 WC, 1957 D14, -- Thanks and God Bless |
Posted By: BobDinNC
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 9:46am
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WLHD21, do you have the formula for the paint you bought? I assume you got a good match. Take the PPG consumer label off the can and you will find the mixture used. Here is what I have that comes out too red. uploads/750/Can_with_label.jpg" rel="nofollow - uploads/750/Can_with_label.jpg |
Posted By: Bill_MN
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 10:45am
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Yes, a lot of the old formulas have changed. I've gotten paint matched for a 1989 Mustang twice in the last 3 years and both times I went in they said some of the pigments were discontinued from last time! Fortunately the new formula was a pretty good match but a lot of the red/orange/yellow colors had nasty stuff in them back in the day. It's not just lead, a lot of the natural sources of pigments are highly toxic compounds and are hazardous to manufacture.
------------- 1951 WD #78283, 1918 Case 28x50 Thresher #76738, Case Centennial B 2x16 Plow |
Posted By: d17brown
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 4:02pm
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I switched to AUE 360 ------------- phil |
Posted By: BobDinNC
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 6:45pm
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Have you bought any since PPG changed the formula for 60080? Did you use 60080 as the code for the UAE 360? Does it give a true color similar to what was produced by Omni/Shopline acrylic urethane? I don't mind switching to something else as long as I can get the right color. I'm restoring a '49 G and I want the color to match the "48 G I restored a couple years ago. |
Posted By: Glenn (NJ)
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 7:21pm
Last winter my PPG jobber told me that the formulary no longer had a mix for acrylic enamel, only for the single stage urethane, and that was based on leaded orange and leaded yellow toner are that are NLA. One of their other locations supposedly had the correct toner available. They had the paint mixed there and transferred to them. This is what I got: the top stick is a mix from a few years back. Naturally I wasn’t happy having just spent $600 for 3 gallons of this stuff. I sprayed a test panel of the old mix and had them fix it. I'm not sure what they did since with this social distancing stuff it was a curb pickup and I didn't get to talk with the tech that fixed it.  Anyway, this is it on the B: 
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Posted By: amac
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 7:43pm
| If you’re looking for ppg paint forget the automotive stores and go to the ppg stores that sell house paint and industrial paint. They have an ag color chart in their industrial line and they have several correct colors for JD and caseih among others because they sell paint to the manufacturers. I’ve never had a problem getting a Persian 1 or 2 color match as long as I take a sample with me. Their high solids acrylic enamel and single stage urethane cover and spray better than omni or ppg auto urethane. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 7:50am
| The last Orange Allis used was Corporate Orange , it had more red to it , rumor I've heard is that's the normal now for all AC color thru paint makers, don't know for sure but I've heard that |
Posted By: BobDinNC
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 3:14pm
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Thanks for the info. I'll start looking for a home/industrial paint store. |
Posted By: TMiller/NC
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 3:45pm
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PPG has evidently changed their formulas, bought a qt of 60080 was so far off color I thought I had given the wrong number. Sent it back and they replaced it, sent a breather cap with correct color, haven't tried it yet. There is a PPG house and Industrial paint dealer just a mile from house and he said the color additives weren't the same as Automotive paint.
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Posted By: amac
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 9:00pm
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TMiller/NC wrote:Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 9:04pm
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I guess i dont get it.... SOMEBODY screwed up... If they had 60080 and then CHANGED the adatives....... you should STILL have the same color .... if you dont, then its not 60080 anymore ? Not saying it didnt happen, but SOMEBODY SCREWED UP ! ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Tom IA
Date Posted: 25 May 2020 at 8:05am
| I just checked last week they said 60080 no longer available because of the additives to get the correct color they said bring a sample and they can shot it and should be able to match so I will know in a couple weeks let you know how it comes out |
Posted By: BobDinNC
Date Posted: 26 May 2020 at 10:39am
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When I ask for the PPG industrial paints they quoted a price for DEVGUARD 4308 ALKYD INSTUSTIRAL GLOSS ENAMEL. Is that what I should be looking for? It was only $43/gallon and I've been paying $35/qt for the automotive paint. |
Posted By: amac
Date Posted: 26 May 2020 at 8:43pm
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 26 May 2020 at 9:16pm
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No Bob........... you should not be using an alkyd enamel... Thats generic paint you get at the hardware store to paint the kids swing set... You are looking for an acrylic enamel which is automotive paint... as mentioned , for more money you can get Urethane or Epoxy, but the ACRYLIC is good quality paint. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: kelso
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 5:18am
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Tom, Are anyone else, Were you able to get a good PPG match on the newest 60080 formula? I need to get PO #1 for my 1949 C that I have been restoring. If so can you provide the formula information. Thanks, Tim
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Posted By: 55allis
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 7:11pm
I used the nason On my rims and I thought it looked nice.  
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Posted By: kelso
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 8:02pm
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Thanks 55allis for your info. Today I found out that the local PPG paint shop at the NAPA store found 2 quarts remaining of the orange toner M130 from a sister store. He is getting that M130 toner and can make up the paint I need for painting my model C project so for now I have found what I need. Cheers, Tim |
Posted By: kelso
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2020 at 3:30pm
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another update on PPG Persian Orange #1 paint #60080. I was not able to get the remaining PPG toner M130 which is discontinued as expected. But my local PPG paint guy called the PPG library and was able to get an updated non-leaded MTK 60080 formula that has been created by PPG to replace the leaded 60080 formula. The same PO #1 formula number is used i.e., 60080. I did not get a copy of the formula but the leaded toners M130 (orange) and M114 (yellow) were dropped and replaced by different toners. The updated non-leaded 60080 formula is not in the PPG database yet so when a PPG rep looks it up they only find the leaded formula. Have them call the PPG library and get the non-leaded 60080 formula for your paint. I got a sample to test out and below is a quick tests. Let me know what ya'll think of the color.  |
Posted By: 55allis
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2020 at 3:36pm
| Looks really close. Do they call it spectramaster yellow? |
Posted By: kelso
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2020 at 3:45pm
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55allis, I did not see the name spectramaster yellow listed. There is a yellow toner M115 used. For PPG paint it still goes by the code 60080.
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Posted By: garden_guy
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2020 at 10:03pm
Has anybody tried this yet? I may have some painting I need to do soon, and was just curious. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2020 at 1:16pm
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I would talk to your local Supplier or Body Shop to see if he has the info.. If not, have him call... The updated non-leaded 60080 formula is not in the PPG database yet so when a PPG rep looks it up they only find the leaded formula. Have them call the PPG library and get the non-leaded 60080 formula for your paint. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: garden_guy
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2020 at 8:54am
Thanks, I appreciate this. Making a note in my hardcopy files of tractor stuff for my WD when buying paint.
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Posted By: kelso
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2020 at 10:36pm
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Hi Garden_guy, Sorry for the delay in giving an update on the PPG paint. I have been painting a lot
since July and below is a photo of my painting tractor parts with the
new non-lead PPG 60080. The lighting does play with the tone color.
This is under fluorescent lighting. I have most parts painted and will show more pictures as I get the C together. Tim  |
Posted By: garden_guy
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2020 at 11:28am
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Oh yeah that looks fantastic, thank you so much for the response! |
Posted By: garden_guy
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2020 at 7:30pm
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So I did a couple days worth of work trying to peel off layers of grease and dirt and clay from my WD, and I think this paint I uncovered looks pretty much like what I assume it did originally? Or does this seem a bit dark/faded?   |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2020 at 7:45pm
I think the ORIGINAL paints did not have the SHINE or BRIGHT that todays paints have.. But i think the COLOR is the same..
  ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: JohnColo
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2020 at 8:23pm
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When I was 5 or 6 I watched a neighbor's B delivered. As I remember it wasn't shiny orange but it seemed pretty bright orange, would have been 1954 or '55. Personally,m I like the bright color, it just really stands out and grabs you. |
Posted By: Armand(AZ)
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 7:34am
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When we moved down here to Mesa almost 11 years ago, I bought 6 cans of Persain Orange for AMAC knowing it would be hard to get down here. After using the last can about two years ago I took a sample to my NAPA store about a mile away and she matched it perfectly. I just picked up two cans yesterday as I paint all of my models the correct color. I buy aerosol so it doesn't spoil. Just shoot it into a jar and then into my airbrush. I can probably get their code if anyone needs it. Armand |
Posted By: garden_guy
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2020 at 6:39pm
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Has anyone tried AGCO's Persian Orange #1? Part 79021641 for the 1 Qt container. Was curious how the color looked and how well it held up to the weather/scratches?
If I am having someone do some spraying for me on my WD, which of the three is the best bet? Acrylic, Urethane or Epoxy? Do some of them take special applicators? |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2020 at 8:57pm
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I use the acrylic enamel personally. It sprays very smooth and doesn’t run as easy as other paints that I’ve tried. PPG is excellent paint. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: ac160
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2020 at 4:25pm
One of my first tries at painting with a hvlp gun using AGCO's PO#1 paint.
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Posted By: garden_guy
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2020 at 6:30pm
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AC160 -- That looks nice!! Are you happy with it? Looks good from what I can see. AC720Man -- Thanks for the info!
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Posted By: ac160
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2020 at 6:55am
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I am happy with it. If I can remember to take my phone with me I will get a picture of the tractor assembled. |
Posted By: ac45dave
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2020 at 7:09am
------------- 54 wd-45gas ; 56 wd-45d N/F w/fact p/s ; 63 d-17 sIII N/F gas ; 60 D14 N/F ; 67 d-17 sIV N/F gas ; 63D15 sII W/F; 39rc#667 ; 2021 massey 4710 fwa ; gravely 2 wheel tractors |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2020 at 7:36am
------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: garden_guy
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2020 at 6:41pm
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Just an FYI, I went to my local AGCO dealer (~70 miles away) and they have quart cans of PO#1 but the part number seems different and it is a low VOC listing. $38 a can. 
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Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2020 at 9:20pm
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I like that color that Kelso shot. Looks a lot like the color my Tractors are. I'll probably be doing my B over in the next year or so, so I'll be in the same boat with paint again. I used the Nason on my Tractors. Had my body man shoot them. I don't paint or have a place to paint, so its easier to let my body man paint the pieces in his booth... Steve@B&B ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: 55allis
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2020 at 9:27pm
| If you look at tractorpartsasap.com they have both Persian one and two in rattle cans, quart, and gallon. |
Posted By: garden_guy
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2021 at 2:54pm
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Stopped by the "local" AGCO dealer today and they had rattle cans in. $12 a piece for PO#1. 
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