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Ryan Renko 
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Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 7:32pm |
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We all know about the demise of the small farmer and today its all about being BIG!!! I can understand that todays combines can eat 12 or more rows of corn at a time, but are the operators pushing these combines to much or what?? In my area about 35 miles northeast of St. Louis every field that was shelled about 2 or 3 weeks ago is now a total field of new corn sprouting that covers it!!! I know its only a small percentage of the total harvest in 200+ bushel corn, but it seems strange. I know that never happened behind our Gleaner E, but that was years ago!! LOL Ryan
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Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 7:36pm |
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Were these fields run over with a Deere?
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Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 7:38pm |
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Had to have been a JD sts, a.k.a "strait through seeder" they are terrible in corn, most neighbors who have them have about as much volunteer corn as they do beans. Gleaners are the way to go, we literally had no volunteer corn in our fields because we have a gleaner.
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norm [ind]
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Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 7:39pm |
we have the same scenario in our area also all colors we havsome corn 4-5 inches tall
operators needs some schooling too slow down they think they go just as fast witha 12 row head as you did with a 6 row that simple ggggot too get done so they caN GO TO FLA.
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Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 7:53pm |
thank you hager, that's the phrase I was trying to remember--- years ago, if there was a slight green cast, similar to a poor stand of planted corn it was barely acceptable.
Todays thinking is like Norm's statement . Get lots of acres planted in spring and get 'r done in the fall, so they can be in the coffee shop to brag they are done.
Has anyone taken a square yard frame and spot checked the volunteer corn to actually see how much is blown or forced over. At $5/bushel that would go a long way to pay for the combining bill, machine and fuel plus labor, it couldn't take that long along with some record keeping as to weather , etc, to adjust today's combines
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Ryan Renko
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Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 7:53pm |
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My father said farmers and operators would always get on the ground on there knees and observe what the harvestor was doing. It just seems like a big loss to me. Ryan
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Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 8:03pm |
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WE HAVE COMPUTER TO TO TELL THE BUSHELS AT THE COFFEE SHOP BUT DOES NOT TELL WHAT WENT INTO THE TRUCK LOOK INTHE FEILDS WITH A 6ROW HEAD AN COMPARE MAKE YOUR OWN CONCULISIONS COULD TELL MANY STORIES IN MY 70 YRS.
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Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 8:05pm |
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Ryan, I have done that with my dad, and the neighbor as well, since dad would combine his crops, helping with adjustments, getting in where dad and the neighbor couldn't reach.Dad had a Gleaner E and spent hours on it before every harvest season on wheat, corn, beans, clover. I spent lots of hours under "the shade tree" in, under and around.
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Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 8:16pm |
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I live in Northcentral In. and people talk about JD s planting corn hear too with their combines.
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Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 8:17pm |
This years harvest is the dryest in years. Most of what's on the ground is what comes out of the head on the snap rolls. No matter what color or speed. You think that there's loss there, try 11-12% beans. That's why they make an air-reel.....
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Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 8:22pm |
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Thanks JoeO, I know you cant feed the world as our American farmers do with a Gleaner E, but I never saw a harvested field look like the ones I do see now. I guess its the price we pay?? I'm not around all the time, but just once I would love to see someone behind the combine looking though the chaff and tailings. You big guys are doing a great job keeping our bellys full and much of the world also. I just wonder about the combine loss. Ryan
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Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 8:25pm |
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daddy's first combine was a E3 close to new was 17then learned how to work it right with not much or anyloss then sold it (hes trades on eq since he was 16 ) then got a allcrop 60 and stuff like that but the best one wev had was a F3 had a few good 6600 but they cant keep up with a gleaner
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Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 8:38pm |
TALK TO THE SERVICEMEN THEY WILL TELL YOU WHAT THE PROBLEM IS
IT IS NOT HTE COMBINE THEY SAY OPERATOR HAD A GLEANER SERVICE MAN STOP IN TODAY JUST TALKING AN HE SAID 95% OF THE COMBINE PROBLEMS WERE THE OPEATORS SAME TODAY HAVE A FREIND THAT IS A J D SERVICE MAN SAME STORY
TE FARMER THINKS THE COMPUTER RUNS IT!!!!!
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Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 8:53pm |
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This years field dry corn as stated by ToddB is the biggest problem. Some of ours was down to 13% two weeks ago. The head loss is the big end of it. Some of that volunteer corn will be waist high by frost time here on some that was shelled in Aug.
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Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 9:20pm |
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So if you own a Straight Through Seeder and you combine the corn early enough for it to sprout in the fall, you won't have any volunteer corn next year.
We usually have a lot of corn on the ground at our working farm show(3rd weekend of Sept). The corn gets dry enough to pick if planted early and we use a short season corn but there always seems to bee enough strength in the stalk to make the ear snap hard. Most of the old ear pickers shell the butt end up a ways cause of this.
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Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 9:51pm |
I search on Google-found this - review at coffee shop.
How to Estimate Grain Harvest Losses
Studies have shown that losses off the combine can run as high as 20%, even with a properly adjusted machine when it is overloaded. A reasonable loss is considered to be 3% of the total crop or less. Total harvest losses are seldom if ever zero.
Usually over 60% of the grain left in the field is due to shattering of the crop and grain lost in getting it cut and into the combine header. Once the crop is in the combine, loss is very low with properly adjusted and operated equipment.
To keep harvest loss low, determine how much grain is being left in the field. A simple, accurate method to estimate losses requires the use of a one-foot square frame. Pick several typical areas in the field after the combine has passed and follow these steps.
- Count the kernels left directly behind the rear of the combine. Count several separate square foot areas (A- Figure 1).
- Count the kernels already in the field due to shatter and cutter bar loss (B- Figure 1).
- Subtract (B) from (A).
- Divide the results of Step 3 by the ratio of: Width of windrower/header width (ft) Width of combine (ft).
- Divide the result of Step 4 by the number of kernels for the particular crop from the Table 1 (below) for one bushel per acre loss. This is the approximate machinery loss in bushels per acre.
- To find total loss, add the count in (B) to the result in Step 4. This gives the total seed count from shatter, cutter bar and machine loss.
- Divide the total seed count of Step 6 by the number of kernels for the particular crop for one bushel per acre loss (Table 1). This will give the approximate total loss in bushels per acre.
- For a percentage loss, divide the loss in Step 7 (loss in bushels per acre) by the total yield (harvest yield plus loss) in bushels per acre for the field.
Table 1: Number of kernels per square foot to equal one bushel per acre loss.
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HRS Wheat |
20 |
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Durum |
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14 |
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10 | | Source: University of Minnesota Extension Service
Figure 1.
Counting Kernels to Measure Harvest Loss
Kernels or seeds per pound, bushel, cwt, and number per square foot to equal one unit loss per acre at harvest
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Spring Wheat |
14,300 |
20 |
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Durum Wheat |
11,500 |
16 |
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Barley |
13,500 |
15 |
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Oats |
15,500 |
11 |
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Flax |
88,000 |
113 |
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Rye |
18,000 |
42 |
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Soybeans (Small) |
3,300 |
4 |
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Soybeans (large) |
2,400 |
4 |
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Corn (Medium grade) |
1,500 |
2 |
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Sunflower (oil) |
9,000 |
5 |
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Sunflower (confc.) |
5,000 |
2.5 |
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Navy Beans |
2,500 |
4 |
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Pinto Beans |
1,250 |
2 |
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Sorghum |
15,000 |
18 |
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Sudangrass |
44,000 |
40 |
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Proso Millet |
80,000 |
84 |
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Foxtail Millet |
220,000 |
242 |
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Buckwheat |
15,000 |
16 | | *These are average numbers from past seasons, and individual varieties or hybrids will vary among themselves as well as be influenced by environmental factors. Source: NDSU
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Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 11:04pm |
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The straight through seeder reminds me of the other sayings... Stolen Technology System, Single Trip Seeder, Sometimes Threshing System.
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Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 11:21pm |
I agree with the service men. We have lots of good people running our Gleaner combines in this area and it looks good, but the other guys have them all over the place. Neighbor has a JD9770 and does a good job but he takes his time and CHECKS things throughout the day. We like to call them operators and steering wheel holders that is the difference.
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Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 12:10am |
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Andrew, those are some other very clever sayings for a strait through seeder, just broadened my vocabulary.
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Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 9:04am |
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JoeO, if you run a 6 row corn head and everything out the back is scattered evenly, would you take the "B" measurement from under the combine? I would think that would be the only way to find what is lost from the head.
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Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 12:27pm |
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In my area, mostly referring to the wheat harvest, When JD combine owners would tell how you would never see anything green behind a JD combine, the Gleaner owners response would be, "That's because cracked grain doesn't sprout!" Darrel
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Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 1:03pm |
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Seat warmers, not operators. I have been around various colors of combines and if set properly and operated properly ALL will do a very acceptable job. Some are easier to set than others.
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Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 6:16pm |
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I grew up with gleaners, my dad and grandpa would have had a nervous breakdown if they thought there was more than 3 percent loss. They had an A with 300 acres, then a C2 with 400, then a G with 550, then a M2 with 700, and finally a L3 with 1200 acres. On each machine, if they had ten good days in the field, harvest was over. "Farmers" here now have 5, 10, 15,20 thousand acres, one guy has 55 thousand I know of. Basically, they push their machines to whatever the engine will take. most of them are "chipping" their engines for more power and drive as fast as the engine will allow, because they have to to get done. The problem is not the machines, its the drain of people from farms. If farmers had 2 or 3 thousand acres, I bet there would be a lot less stress and a lot less grain laying on the ground. I harvested with a guy for ten years who has 2188 caseih combines. Same thing, as fast as they will go without killing the engine, thats how fast he moves. Every fall, his fields are green. He even went so far as having the caseih guy out to see what could be done, the guy finally said "Have you ever thought about slowing down?" My two cents TREV.
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Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 6:25pm |
 norm [ind wrote:
] TALK TO THE SERVICEMEN THEY WILL TELL YOU WHAT THE PROBLEM IS
IT IS NOT HTE COMBINE THEY SAY OPERATOR HAD A GLEANER SERVICE MAN STOP IN TODAY JUST TALKING AN HE SAID 95% OF THE COMBINE PROBLEMS WERE THE OPEATORS SAME TODAY HAVE A FREIND THAT IS A J D SERVICE MAN SAME STORY
TE FARMER THINKS THE COMPUTER RUNS IT!!!!! |
I am a jd service man and i completly agree. Some guys just dont care. If an sts is set up and run correctly it will out harvest any combine on the market, thats why there's more of them than all the rest combined. Thats my two cents, even though i expect to get raked over the coals for supporting deere...
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Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 6:37pm |
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Well according to the tests run on the new S77 combine, it will outdo a 9770 sts. While combining 11-12% more grain than the green machine, it was 2.5 times cleaner than the green machine, so I wouldn't say a STS will outdo anything. I am not trying to bash you guys who like JD, im just stating the facts and what I have heard. Part of the reason there are so many STS combines out is because of the paint color and the name on the side, not because of the machine it is.
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Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 6:44pm |
HagerAC wrote:
Part of the reason there are so many STS combines out is because of the paint color and the name on the side, not because of the machine it is. |
I hear that alot, but honestly how many are paying $300,000 for paint, there's more to it. Fact is over half the market for new combines in this country are john deere.
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Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 7:31pm |
I thought STS stood for stolen technology series?
Edited by Butch(OH) - 01 Oct 2010 at 7:40pm
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Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 7:45pm |
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I cant knock the John Deere people for defending their product because us orange/Gleaner people are just as loyal, only smarter!!! LOL
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Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 8:07pm |
To determine loss from header, stop combine while part way down a row. Grain behind combine is from header and tailings/cylinder loss. Grain under combine is from header. May need to mark where rear was and back up to look where combine was.
A properly set combine will lose little from the cylinder. Overly dry corn (17% and down) will shell in the head, sometimes excessively. People plant earlier now, and hybrids dry down rapidly. My dad says not too long ago corn was usually harvested at 20-25% moisture, as that was all the drier it would get. Now harvest starts at about 20%, getting down to 14% sometimes at the end of harvest-with the exception of last year (no corn under 20%).
Combines are also designed for faster field speeds. You could drive at 6-7 mph and not overdrive the head. I don't think the old combines/pickers were designed for high field speeds, so head speed was prob slower.
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Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 8:37pm |
JD rules the roost becuase of their dealer network and because so many parts are available after market. We have farm 1000 acres and have all colors. Agco parts are far and away the most expensive parts out there. When we need Agco parts it's always crazy expensive.
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