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    Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 11:56pm
what size are they? and what is being used to treat the trees with and how?
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They leave a d shaped hole, about the size of pencil, as they leave the bark.  Valuable trees can be injected with a systemic insecticide, I think, but that's expen$ive...
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It's expensive, and you have to do it every year.  It sucks, they have destroyed this area!  Makes nice firewood, but it's getting dangerous.  Trees are dying faster than they're being cleaned up, so guys go and cut down the trees, the trees are so dead often heavy branches drop off from way up due to just the vibration of the chain saw, and injure you.
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Have to repair fence constantly because of the dead ash. The roads around here are covered with dead limbs from them. If you are going to cut one I sugest putting a rope in it and give it a good shake with the truck before cutting. I hear there is some pest or disease killing the black walnut trees west of here. I hope they were wrong. Anyone that way see evidence of this?
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Not much kills the bug.  Cut the trees early and use them for furniture, or later and use for firewood.  I lost one I had in the yard.  I cut it down and now I have a new one about 30' tall from a sucker from the old roots!  It's been growing for 3 or 4 years and shows no sign of dying.  I guess once they kill all the tees they move on.  We lost all of our ash way back, probably over 5 years now.  Now we have standing dead ash and elm.  It does make for readily available, seasoned, firewood.
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City of Hamilton here, 1,000s of ash trees, their policy.... cut, transport, chip. NO logs sold as firewood or milled... jerks
I offered a 90/10 deal to then. THEY get 90%, drop logs off, I mill, sell boards.
jerks...

heard there's a bug killing pine trees now...

most(all ?) bugs are imported, in skids and boxes, nice...
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It looks like those folks in California know how to solve the tree killing bug problem!
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Originally posted by john(MI) john(MI) wrote:

Not much kills the bug.  Cut the trees early and use them for furniture, or later and use for firewood.  I lost one I had in the yard.  I cut it down and now I have a new one about 30' tall from a sucker from the old roots!  It's been growing for 3 or 4 years and shows no sign of dying.  I guess once they kill all the tees they move on.  We lost all of our ash way back, probably over 5 years now.  Now we have standing dead ash and elm.  It does make for readily available, seasoned, firewood.

I'm noticing the same thing here-- Once the bugs ravage an area, they seem to move on.  Our Ash trees have all been dead for 5-10 years now and those that haven't already been cut are falling over from Rot.  However, we have a neighbor that had 2 very nice, mature Ash trees he didn't want to lose.  He treated them every year and it was expensive but they still look great.  About 2 years ago, he got tired of spending the $$$$ to treat them them and stopped.  So far, no issues but time will tell.  I've also noticed a few suckers from dead trees in fence rows that look healthy.  I guess the lesson there is if you have a tree you want to save and can keep the Ash Borrers away until the rest of the trees in the area are dead, you might be OK.


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What about the stuff from Bayer Advanced, Tree & Shrub protect and feed. I know where I have used it I don't have any bagworms nest and it shows treating a half dead tree and it growing back. When I worked an Lowe's I had a couple customers tell me they used it and it work for them.

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Wanted to share a handy link containing lots of good EAB info and insecticide options:  https://extension.entm.purdue.edu/EAB/index.php?page=faq
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No Ash trees have survived in our area. And as stated be very careful when cutting dead trees as not only limbs break off but the tree can blow up when hitting frozen ground sending wood shrapnel outward like a bomb exploding! I have cut trees that woodpeckers have worked on. I hope they got a tasty meal of Ash Borers! Seems like there is always something new coming along destroying as I remember the Dutch Elm disease. We have a few Piss Elms that did not die.
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Neighbor had his cut down last winter. I have a large one in my yard that has them. Local city cut them all down. There are dead ash all over around here. i may check into the Bayer.
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The Emerald Ash Borer (Agrilus planipennis or EAB) is responsible for the destruction of tens of millions of ash trees in 30 states. Native to Asia, it likely arrived in the United States hidden in wood packing materials. The first U.S. identification of Emerald Ash Borer was in southeastern Michigan in 2002.

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thanks ya'll! thanks Chas...that bug on the penny makes it easier to what I need to look for! i'm gonna go back and read what Dave posted now.
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Be aware you really have to catch one and examine closely to prove it's an EAB. As there are a few other species that look almost exactly like them but a slight difference. Google emerald ash borer identification to find many guides on how to tell the difference. I've found many beetles that look exactly like the one on the above penny but not a one has turned out to be an EAB yet. The red thorax is a key identification of the EAB.
All my ash trees are looking good so far. EAB is only about a hundred or less miles away though so just a matter of time.
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Not a very good picture but dead ash tree with dead branches falling. Customer of mine I was working for this morning. They have a tree service scheduled to take down. Guy wanted to himself but is worried about the widow makers hanging.
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all mine are still alive yet, I keep checking the tops of the trees as that's where they start dying. one i'm really worried about is about way over a 100 ft tall and next to the house.
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We lost all of ours around here.  Cost is around $500 per year per tree.
Now I'm worried about the Oak wilt.  Have some HUGE ones that are dead now.  It's been 3 years since it started.

On another note though, I have seen about 20 American Elms growing.  Most were about 2 to 3" around.  They were supposed to all be dead from some disease, but they're making a comeback.
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Shameless, can you safely drop that tree?  Once it starts dying?  NOT on the highway though!

Get some youngsters up in it and start cutting limbs off?
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Tree in the picture has a lean twoard the house. The loading of the branches could help in falling . I would have to see it in person to determine how to fall it. Leaners I have felled with a hydraulic jack.
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the big tree is next to the house and driveway where my office trailer and the car ports are. I wouldn't mind cutting that one down, but the one in the front yard shades our house so well, we hardly have to run the a/c.
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The worry is about the the dead limbs falling as the tree is being cut. Take the dead limbs off with a bucket truck first and then fall it. Neat video on YouTube falling a nasty looking tree with a powerful hydraulic jack
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there ain't no bucket truck big nuff to reach up near the top of this tree, and i'd hafta move the car ports and the office and the goat building and have someone do traffic control on the highway. the power company came with their biggest man lift truck and didn't get but about 1/2 way up it, they did trim some off for me.
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I did find some chemicals that are used, both injectable and spray on stuff, i'll write them all down and go see my chemical dealer, I still have my applicator license!
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I would look into systemic insecticide.

What is used locally to control the gall wasps on the pin oak trees.
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Ash Tree I cut for a friend. Measured 48" on the stump. My saw has a 3 ft. bar. As you see we jacked it over with his Porta Power so it would not fall in the open ditch.

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Dave, BTDTB!!!

LOL sure takes the edge of immediately, doesn't it?

A word to those not felling every day, these ash tree that have had the borer kill them, some are sound as a rock, but most are varying soundness at different heights over the stump I am finding.  The quality of the hinge wood should always be treated s being suspect with the dead ash.Just as you would with any other dead tree you are felling.

When that hinge wood gets soft the tree becomes a challenge to manage
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I don't see any dead stuff in the trees so far, and hope it stays that way, but i'm sure it won't.
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Well I learned this fact from a logger named Ray you don't cut timber on a windy day 
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