ash borer
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Topic: ash borer
Posted By: shameless dude
Subject: ash borer
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 11:56pm
| what size are they? and what is being used to treat the trees with and how? |
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 4:43am
| They leave a d shaped hole, about the size of pencil, as they leave the bark. Valuable trees can be injected with a systemic insecticide, I think, but that's expen$ive... |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 7:01am
| It's expensive, and you have to do it every year. It sucks, they have destroyed this area! Makes nice firewood, but it's getting dangerous. Trees are dying faster than they're being cleaned up, so guys go and cut down the trees, the trees are so dead often heavy branches drop off from way up due to just the vibration of the chain saw, and injure you. |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 10:01am
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Have to repair fence constantly because of the dead ash. The roads around here are covered with dead limbs from them. If you are going to cut one I sugest putting a rope in it and give it a good shake with the truck before cutting. I hear there is some pest or disease killing the black walnut trees west of here. I hope they were wrong. Anyone that way see evidence of this? ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 10:12am
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Not much kills the bug. Cut the trees early and use them for furniture, or later and use for firewood. I lost one I had in the yard. I cut it down and now I have a new one about 30' tall from a sucker from the old roots! It's been growing for 3 or 4 years and shows no sign of dying. I guess once they kill all the tees they move on. We lost all of our ash way back, probably over 5 years now. Now we have standing dead ash and elm. It does make for readily available, seasoned, firewood. ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 10:50am
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City of Hamilton here, 1,000s of ash trees, their policy.... cut, transport, chip. NO logs sold as firewood or milled... jerks I offered a 90/10 deal to then. THEY get 90%, drop logs off, I mill, sell boards. jerks... heard there's a bug killing pine trees now... most(all ?) bugs are imported, in skids and boxes, nice... I said only allow PLASTIC skids in... no response... jerks we're losing forest faster due to bugs than fires. Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 11:43am
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It looks like those folks in California know how to solve the tree killing bug problem! ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: Dave974
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 11:46am
I'm noticing the same thing here-- Once the bugs ravage an area, they seem to move on. Our Ash trees have all been dead for 5-10 years now and those that haven't already been cut are falling over from Rot. However, we have a neighbor that had 2 very nice, mature Ash trees he didn't want to lose. He treated them every year and it was expensive but they still look great. About 2 years ago, he got tired of spending the $$$$ to treat them them and stopped. So far, no issues but time will tell. I've also noticed a few suckers from dead trees in fence rows that look healthy. I guess the lesson there is if you have a tree you want to save and can keep the Ash Borrers away until the rest of the trees in the area are dead, you might be OK.
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john(MI) wrote:Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 2:14pm
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What about the stuff from Bayer Advanced, Tree & Shrub protect and feed. I know where I have used it I don't have any bagworms nest and it shows treating a half dead tree and it growing back. When I worked an Lowe's I had a couple customers tell me they used it and it work for them. |
Posted By: Dave974
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 3:29pm
| Wanted to share a handy link containing lots of good EAB info and insecticide options: https://extension.entm.purdue.edu/EAB/index.php?page=faq" rel="nofollow - https://extension.entm.purdue.edu/EAB/index.php?page=faq |
Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 3:38pm
| No Ash trees have survived in our area. And as stated be very careful when cutting dead trees as not only limbs break off but the tree can blow up when hitting frozen ground sending wood shrapnel outward like a bomb exploding! I have cut trees that woodpeckers have worked on. I hope they got a tasty meal of Ash Borers! Seems like there is always something new coming along destroying as I remember the Dutch Elm disease. We have a few Piss Elms that did not die. |
Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 7:25pm
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Neighbor had his cut down last winter. I have a large one in my yard that has them. Local city cut them all down. There are dead ash all over around here. i may check into the Bayer. ------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK! |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 8:47pm
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The Emerald Ash Borer (Agrilus planipennis or EAB) is responsible for the destruction of tens of millions of ash trees in 30 states. Native to Asia, it likely arrived in the United States hidden in wood packing materials. The first U.S. identification of Emerald Ash Borer was in southeastern Michigan in 2002. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 9:52pm
| thanks ya'll! thanks Chas...that bug on the penny makes it easier to what I need to look for! i'm gonna go back and read what Dave posted now. |
Posted By: TDF
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 10:14pm
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Be aware you really have to catch one and examine closely to prove it's an EAB. As there are a few other species that look almost exactly like them but a slight difference. Google emerald ash borer identification to find many guides on how to tell the difference. I've found many beetles that look exactly like the one on the above penny but not a one has turned out to be an EAB yet. The red thorax is a key identification of the EAB. All my ash trees are looking good so far. EAB is only about a hundred or less miles away though so just a matter of time. |
Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2018 at 8:58am
Not a very good picture but dead ash tree with dead branches falling. Customer of mine I was working for this morning. They have a tree service scheduled to take down. Guy wanted to himself but is worried about the widow makers hanging.  ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2018 at 9:09am
| all mine are still alive yet, I keep checking the tops of the trees as that's where they start dying. one i'm really worried about is about way over a 100 ft tall and next to the house. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2018 at 10:35am
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We lost all of ours around here. Cost is around $500 per year per tree. Now I'm worried about the Oak wilt. Have some HUGE ones that are dead now. It's been 3 years since it started. On another note though, I have seen about 20 American Elms growing. Most were about 2 to 3" around. They were supposed to all be dead from some disease, but they're making a comeback. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2018 at 10:38am
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Shameless, can you safely drop that tree? Once it starts dying? NOT on the highway though! Get some youngsters up in it and start cutting limbs off? ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2018 at 10:52pm
| Tree in the picture has a lean twoard the house. The loading of the branches could help in falling . I would have to see it in person to determine how to fall it. Leaners I have felled with a hydraulic jack. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2018 at 10:57pm
| the big tree is next to the house and driveway where my office trailer and the car ports are. I wouldn't mind cutting that one down, but the one in the front yard shades our house so well, we hardly have to run the a/c. |
Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2018 at 11:07pm
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The worry is about the the dead limbs falling as the tree is being cut. Take the dead limbs off with a bucket truck first and then fall it. Neat video on YouTube falling a nasty looking tree with a powerful hydraulic jack ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 10:20pm
| there ain't no bucket truck big nuff to reach up near the top of this tree, and i'd hafta move the car ports and the office and the goat building and have someone do traffic control on the highway. the power company came with their biggest man lift truck and didn't get but about 1/2 way up it, they did trim some off for me. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 10:22pm
| I did find some chemicals that are used, both injectable and spray on stuff, i'll write them all down and go see my chemical dealer, I still have my applicator license! |
Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2018 at 5:02am
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I would look into systemic insecticide. What is used locally to control the gall wasps on the pin oak trees. |
Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2018 at 2:07pm
 Ash Tree I cut for a friend. Measured 48" on the stump. My saw has a 3 ft. bar. As you see we jacked it over with his Porta Power so it would not fall in the open ditch.
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Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2018 at 8:07am
 I can remember the day that I could not locate my plastic wedges. Soooo, I thought with my experience I would never mess up and hit one of those iron wedges with the chain. i don't remember how I managed it, but it took less than a nano second.  |
Posted By: Amos
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2018 at 9:39pm
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Dave, BTDTB!!! LOL sure takes the edge of immediately, doesn't it? A word to those not felling every day, these ash tree that have had the borer kill them, some are sound as a rock, but most are varying soundness at different heights over the stump I am finding. The quality of the hinge wood should always be treated s being suspect with the dead ash.Just as you would with any other dead tree you are felling. When that hinge wood gets soft the tree becomes a challenge to manage
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2018 at 10:01pm
| I don't see any dead stuff in the trees so far, and hope it stays that way, but i'm sure it won't. |
Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2018 at 11:41pm
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Well I learned this fact from a logger named Ray you don't cut timber on a windy day Stay out of the woods when the moisture's low Or you ain't gonna live to collect your dough! Lyric from the Johnny Cash song "Lumberjack". |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2018 at 6:58am
| I know all about cutting trees on windy days! been thru that already, and that dude is correct! lol |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2018 at 7:41am
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Guess it depends on the direction of the wind, and the direction you'd prefer it to go.... 2 guys at work here have been injured over the years. The one guy had a stick/branch fall from way up high, and sort of stab him through the side of the eye orbit / socket. Looked pretty nasty, and his eye doesn't track quite right, but he did not lose sight. Hardhat anyone? The other guy was limbing a tree already fell. He didn't notice the spring set into one of the branches, or noticed it but didn't think it was that bad, anyway he cut into that and it sprung out and whacked him in the face, sent him flying backwards with a broken jaw, cheekbone, eye orbit, and a nice concussion. Took him a while to make a recovery. Both these guys were very experienced. I think there comes a point in your experience where you think you're bulletproof. Seen it on more than one topic.
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2018 at 11:25pm
| I agree T-Bone, freeky accidents kill/wound just the same! |
Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 7:08am
| You are right Tbone! I have had some really close calls felling trees! And I could tell a lot of stories about local people too. I take my time and study the tree and always plan an escape route. I also use as many tools in my favor that I can take to the woods. One of the best items that I used was my father in laws Kubota tractor with a log skidding attachment. That really is a good tool. My son now has it since my father in law passed away and he lives 2 hours away so my faithful 185 is my woods helper. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 8:13am
| When I was clearing the building site for my house, I cut down some HUGE trees. 60 -70 foot maples, some smaller oaks, poplar, etc. Naturally, most of the time I was alone. I picked a direction and fell every one of those trees like a pro right where I wanted. Sister and brother in law stopped by, I was literally on the last tree. Small mostly dead tree, very straight, no worries. I saw where they were standing, I said, "Uhhh....maybe you should move back some. Never know." That friggin' tree fell over exactly OPPOSITE to the direction I planned, would have been right on top of them. Crazy. Yeah, you really gotta be thinking ahead. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 6:04pm
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 9:23pm
| I used to cut a lot of trees at night, I had good portable lighting back then. I was lucky! |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 9:40pm
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As a very young man,,bout 14 years old,,,I learned how to properly fell BIG trees,,mostly them huge elms that were dyin from thet disease killin em. My Daddy took to contractin on cuttin them down and guess who wount up havin to climb plumb to the highest crotch that would hold the rest of the limbs. That crotch was our snatch block for lettin the other branches down to ground. The limb with the crotch was last one down and My Dad would tie the rope to trk and pull it out to street. ONE time we come very close to takin out the owner's new trk by inches,,,,whew,,,,,
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Posted By: dawntreader74
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 10:02pm
| it pay's some time to get a good bull rope in a big tree an put it wear you wan't it to go.i do it for a living. a tree can get you heart if you don't know what your doing. seen a lot of people get killed' because of not wanting to pay someone to 'at least get on the ground. for them.it's sad' but it's the truth. |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 11:08pm
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to bad we cant get those buggers trained to burrow into the mesquite 'tree'. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 4:11am
| I wonder if fogging the whole tree with an insecticide would do the trick? maybe several applications thru the summer? |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 6:14am
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shameless.. seems the guvs gt another 'plan'. They just allow 'wildfires' to start, run rampant and kill 100s of millions of trees. Someone, somewhere showed pine trees being the next species to be killed off ! Had 'they' NOT allowed ANY wooden skids in from outside our countries,we'd still have ash trees here, and elm, and........ Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 10:05pm
| I agree Jay...there are all kinds of warfare, they tried to get our pets a few years ago too! |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2018 at 8:11am
| had an about a 10 inch ash tree limb break off and fall in the front yard, just missed the deck. no dead in it, no bugs that I can see. weird that it broke off all by itself, no storm, just a lot of rain. been cutting it up last 2 days, should be able to finish today. it did destroy our fire pit that was under it. I been burning the branches right next to where it fell. (burn pit area). |