180D injection pump

I am not sure about teledyne, but STANADYNE is the parent company from which Roosa Master pumps came from. It is not a job for the do it yourselfer, or an Agco dealer for that matter. 180/185's were turned down so far that once worn a little, get hard to start. I address this issue when I rebuild them. take it to an authorized Stanadyne dealer, or send it to me and I'll fix it up for you. DB pumps run around $500-$600 to fix up nice, and I am a Stanadyne Factory trained pump technician, and I work in a Stanadyne Authorized shop.

yes, the  kit is 24371 we have them in stock for 35.80, but there is alot more to our pump rebuilds than "putting in a kit". these aren't as simple a a carburetor.

injpumpEd,

Do me a favor and send me a pm with your email and address, I will try locally first but if they waver at all on the age or pump type I will send it your way.  I really prefer to keep the locals working but I will use a fellow that is acquainted better with a system if need be.

if I told you all my secrets, I'd have to silence you. LOL! most DB pumps come in with a broken flex ring. So if its a working tractor, not a parade tractor, we put the EID retainer in it. the leaf spring is not set at max, unless thats what customer wants, there are 4 different length leaf springs by the way. rollers and shoes get replaced only if needed, which is seldom. not sure what you mean by changing out governor washers. metering valve is fairly commonly replaced, along with the arm. Delivery valve and spring as well as the stop get changed regularly. I have certain ways I set roller to roller for differing applications, along with eccentricity. Also adjust the linkage to a preferred setting. I add a torque screw if not already equipped, to give an external means of adjustment. Pilot tube gets replaced. once its all assembled, it goes to the test stand and I calibrate it, based on the test spec, or my own custom spec for special applications, such as pullers. Calibration consists of setting transfer pump pressure, then adjusting the advance. then set hi idle screw, full load delivery with torque screw, check peak torque delivery, set idle speed screw, then check cranking delivery. then pull it off the stand, cap it up, put seal wires on if applicable, then paint it. that is a brief description, obviously I completely tear it down, and  thoroughly clean all the parts, wire wheel, and bead blasting as needed. and of course all seals, and crush washers. thanks for your interest, and by the way, we warranty our pumps for 1 year, unless turned up more than 10%. 

joshjohndeere wrote: hey ed

Ya know what? Playing games like what you are doing right now is uncalled for.

I always wandered how much they make at sheid diesel when its 800 to rebuild a roosamaster pump. 500 to 600  ??? I dont know ,just cant see how there can be that much in parts  in that little pump. And how long would it take to rebuild a pump from when you tear it down to have it ready to go back on.

Check your fuel lines from the tank to the primer pump and at the injector pump.My 185 got to starting hard and fluttered every once in awhile and I changed the rubber compression washers on the fuel lines and at the primer pump and it cracks right off now and runs smooth.You could have a bad pump but I would check the lines first.

i agree with u ed about quality of service, and i strive to produce the best time in and time out, i have seen the work a local shop has done that i have had to rework because they had no clue what they were dealing with. but on another note that eid retainer your talking about just to be on the same base thats the retainer ring on the governer weight cage correct and what so special about yours are they the ones that are black or the clear ones?

gleaner

That is what I was saying josh. If they are charging  90 an hour. I figure paying the guy, 20,and on another 10 for workmanscomp,taxes,etc. Every hour they charge for is 60 an hour clear.   And these Sheid shops dont take millions of dollars to build. They are making  a killing.

Edited by ILGLEANER - 19 Aug 2010 at 9:56pm

thats how they can offord to pull those nice dodge pickups that have insane horsepower thats how they make there play money while guys like ed are have to stick to playing in the local sand box with the rest of us....lol.. no offense ed but i didnt see super farm outlaw pulling tractor listed in your list of toys and im not tyring to poke fun at u at all.

Do the rebuild kits come with instructions?

well, rebuild kit is really not the correct term, it should be called a seal kit. How many engines have you rebuilt with only a gasket kit? Since the technicians attend a week long course to become stanadyne certified, there is no need for instructions in every kit. Josh, the EID weight retainer is the improved design that has encased rubber bumpers that can never come out, while still isolating the weights from the driveshaft shock. It eliminates the use of a flex ring entirely. Yes, our shop rate is $87/hr, and I only get a fraction of that, but the tooling expenses, as well as costs of being in business are getting rediculous. I am only a grunt mechanic, but I am full aware of the costs associated, and no I DO NOT work for scheid. I have seen some work from their shops, and am quite disappointed when customers tell me how much they spent. Also Josh, you stated that your guy takes about 3 hrs to do a DB, we are 4. How much more time is he spending with the tractor on the dyno "calibrating" the pump. At least another hour? So ultimately the customer pays for a substandard job, but spent about the same money. Plus I'm not too sure I'd want one of my old tractors on a dyno running the risk of overspeeding while getting hi idle set, as well as working it hard while setting the power. I have seen guys just turn up the fuel because it didn't dyno enough, when all along he had the timing off. I don't mean to slam people working on their own pumps, but when they start to slam what I do for a living, it tends to piss me off a little. oh yea, we warranty our work for a year, and the only time anything comes back in is always contamination! IG, you talking about scheid's exchange prices is why we dont do exchange on many pumps at all. you have to pad the price for when a crappy core comes back in, so everyone has to pay more, not just the guy who sent in a total piece of junk as a core. I prefer to rebuild your pump, you generally know the history, and it seems everyone wants theirs set  a little different. Reman starters, and alternators may be ok, but injection pumps are not. This is the brains of your engine, and they generally are just set close to spec. the people building them have no idea what or why they are doing what they do. So it pays to use a qualified shop.

Well I wish you had a shop over here in western aust Ed! because those prices are a bargain.Most fuelpump/injector places as soon as they see your pump want a few thousand dollars,I play around abit with them myself but only because of the rip offs.Had a CAV pump off a 354 perkins that I wanted akit in couldnt find a place to do it under a $1000 dollars! Kit was $50 to buy didnt, have the time to do it myself
eventually found aguy to do it for aprice but still too much.All tractor dealer ships here charge about $100 an hour.(AUS $ =90c US)

Ed,