180D injection pump
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Topic: 180D injection pump
Posted By: DMiller
Subject: 180D injection pump
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2010 at 3:34pm
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Anyone here rebuilt/resealed their pump at home? This is basically a Roosa Master pump in Teledyne clothes. Are there kits available to rebuild them or do I have to order all the small parts individually? Or is this something I should let the local AGCo dealer tear into? My 180 struggles from time to time on starts, even when warm and acts to be sucking air but it does not drip anywhere even with a full fuel tank, at times it will flutter at mid throttle and then clean up but against the wood it is fine. |
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2010 at 4:31pm
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I am not sure about teledyne, but STANADYNE is the parent company from which Roosa Master pumps came from. It is not a job for the do it yourselfer, or an Agco dealer for that matter. 180/185's were turned down so far that once worn a little, get hard to start. I address this issue when I rebuild them. take it to an authorized Stanadyne dealer, or send it to me and I'll fix it up for you. DB pumps run around $500-$600 to fix up nice, and I am a Stanadyne Factory trained pump technician, and I work in a Stanadyne Authorized shop. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: joshjohndeere
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2010 at 10:03pm
| not to undermine you ed but the kit for the pump only costs 38.00 at your local john deere dealer and its the same pump most of the 4020's and 3020's used. they arent too hard if u have the tools thats the only downfall. i do agree with ed though on the fact that if u have never delt with an injection pump take it to a dealer who knows what they r doing. just my 2 cents worth. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2010 at 10:22am
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yes, the kit is 24371 we have them in stock for 35.80, but there is alot more to our pump rebuilds than "putting in a kit". these aren't as simple a a carburetor. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2010 at 2:46pm
| Sorry for the teledyne slip, i had just finished swapping p/s pumps on a IHC road truck and had it in my head. I used to work in truck garages where we sent out our roosa master units to a diesel injection service, I knew the small things we could do to tham as the advance collar and a few seals, I was just wondering if this style pump was any simpler. I will set up for the fall after mowing the last time to get it off and sent out. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2010 at 2:48pm
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injpumpEd, Do me a favor and send me a pm with your email and address, I will try locally first but if they waver at all on the age or pump type I will send it your way. I really prefer to keep the locals working but I will use a fellow that is acquainted better with a system if need be. |
Posted By: joshjohndeere
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2010 at 7:58pm
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inj pump ed just outta curiosity what else do u guys do the high and low throttle settings are set on the throttle arm, the leaf spring is set at max already the fuel setting is done with the allen screw going to the metering valve, of course u change out governor washers and all the other seals, maybe install new rollers im just asking for future knowledge not to question your practices. would love to hear more. thanks |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2010 at 9:10pm
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if I told you all my secrets, I'd have to silence you. LOL! most DB pumps come in with a broken flex ring. So if its a working tractor, not a parade tractor, we put the EID retainer in it. the leaf spring is not set at max, unless thats what customer wants, there are 4 different length leaf springs by the way. rollers and shoes get replaced only if needed, which is seldom. not sure what you mean by changing out governor washers. metering valve is fairly commonly replaced, along with the arm. Delivery valve and spring as well as the stop get changed regularly. I have certain ways I set roller to roller for differing applications, along with eccentricity. Also adjust the linkage to a preferred setting. I add a torque screw if not already equipped, to give an external means of adjustment. Pilot tube gets replaced. once its all assembled, it goes to the test stand and I calibrate it, based on the test spec, or my own custom spec for special applications, such as pullers. Calibration consists of setting transfer pump pressure, then adjusting the advance. then set hi idle screw, full load delivery with torque screw, check peak torque delivery, set idle speed screw, then check cranking delivery. then pull it off the stand, cap it up, put seal wires on if applicable, then paint it. that is a brief description, obviously I completely tear it down, and thoroughly clean all the parts, wire wheel, and bead blasting as needed. and of course all seals, and crush washers. thanks for your interest, and by the way, we warranty our pumps for 1 year, unless turned up more than 10%.
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: joshjohndeere
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 7:57pm
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hey ed
in our shop we call the rubber ring the governor washer and i havent bench tested a pump since college. we just bench set them and have never had a problem. the 180 pump doesnt have timing advance unless it is a really late one according to my research or unless it was on a 185, am i correct or not? so has anyone ever tied to put an inline pump on one of these engines im just curious?
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Posted By: CJohnS MI
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 8:12pm
Ya know what? Playing games like what you are doing right now is uncalled for. |
joshjohndeere wrote:Posted By: joshjohndeere
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 8:24pm
| im sorry if i pissed u off john i wasnt intending to do that at all i was just asking questions and trying to gain more knowledge. i apologize if i have upset u too ed, that was not my intentions at all. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 8:44pm
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I always wandered how much they make at sheid diesel when its 800 to rebuild a roosamaster pump. 500 to 600 ??? I dont know ,just cant see how there can be that much in parts in that little pump. And how long would it take to rebuild a pump from when you tear it down to have it ready to go back on.
IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: joshjohndeere
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 9:09pm
| i agree with u ilgleaner, our shop charges 85 an hour for labor a kit costs 38.00 a few other things soo ill give them 150.00 for that sthat leaves almost enough labor left for 5 hours of work and our old techs can do it in about 3 hours if they dont have to soak anything in chemdip. but oh well its only money and like they say u cant take it with u and the only difference berween men and boys is the price of our toys. |
Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 9:22pm
| Check your fuel lines from the tank to the primer pump and at the injector pump.My 185 got to starting hard and fluttered every once in awhile and I changed the rubber compression washers on the fuel lines and at the primer pump and it cracks right off now and runs smooth.You could have a bad pump but I would check the lines first. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 9:23pm
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josh, you are right about the lack of an advance on the 180's, but I was giving a generic run down of our procedure. Our labor rate is 87 an hour, and DB's are flat rated at 4hrs. thats 348 in labor, rest is parts. the EID retainer is a $60 part, but a valuable upgrade on a working tractor. By your shop charging customers to put in a new flex ring, and re-assembling the pump, then putting it on the tractor may be ok for some, but there are others who like to have things properly serviced, for not alot more money. You are a JD tech, think about MR Independent shop working on one of your color tractors, does he provide the customer with the best value for his buck? maybe, maybe not. I have seen some scary work come out of very reputable shops. very disturbing!
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: joshjohndeere
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 9:36pm
| i agree with u ed about quality of service, and i strive to produce the best time in and time out, i have seen the work a local shop has done that i have had to rework because they had no clue what they were dealing with. but on another note that eid retainer your talking about just to be on the same base thats the retainer ring on the governer weight cage correct and what so special about yours are they the ones that are black or the clear ones? |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 9:44pm
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So if what you guys say are true. Lets say 200 in parts. 350 in labor. I dont see where anyone (I dont care if your a doctor ) is worth 90 dollars an hour. Someone is making good money on that 350. Then most of them if you exchange is 800.00 . So for 4 hrs work they are making probably 100% markup on the parts,650 clear. 2 a day 1300 a day. Thats 6500 a week x 52 weeks. That would be 338,000.00 a year.......... just saying not bad money. I dont want to make anyone mad ,just saying I think they make plenty for what they do.
IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: joshjohndeere
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 9:48pm
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gleaner
i can advise u outta that 90 an hour the tech is probably only recieveing about 12-18 dollars of that per hour.
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Posted By: joshjohndeere
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 9:50pm
| ed you can correct me if im wrong but i probably know what i mean. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 9:55pm
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That is what I was saying josh. If they are charging 90 an hour. I figure paying the guy, 20,and on another 10 for workmanscomp,taxes,etc. Every hour they charge for is 60 an hour clear. And these Sheid shops dont take millions of dollars to build. They are making a killing.
IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: ac45
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 10:07pm
| Well they kinda have you over a barrell, but how many people have the know how and patience to take one of these apart and put it back together? I probbaly could if i had a knowledgeable person show me and had the time,and had a couple to practice on,but i have neither.When i take that thing off the engine , send it in and then put it back on i want it to be right cause my time is worth something. There is also some expense in the test stand equipment, thing is that most shops will charge 400 for just a governor ring, and like what was said about they wont even run it on the test stand. Its worth the extra to have it done right. if it last 20 years, starts better, and runs better thats not to bad of a deal. The real rip off is the guy charging $400 and slapping the $40 dollar kit in it and not running it on the test stand |
Posted By: joshjohndeere
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 10:10pm
| thats how they can offord to pull those nice dodge pickups that have insane horsepower thats how they make there play money while guys like ed are have to stick to playing in the local sand box with the rest of us....lol.. no offense ed but i didnt see super farm outlaw pulling tractor listed in your list of toys and im not tyring to poke fun at u at all. |
Posted By: GBACBFan
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 11:02pm
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$90 an hour is a little high, but not outrageous. The employee benefit package, tools and equipment, taxes & misc. insurances, FUTA/SUTA, employee training, and overhead are significant labor cost components. Combine this with the reality that every employee hour worked is not billable to a customer, or during slow periods in business the company keeps the employee busy doing other things on the employer's dime, and of course enough profit to keep the doors open long term, $90/hr is within the realm of reasonableness. ------------- "The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." - Mark Twain |
Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 11:38pm
| Do the rebuild kits come with instructions? |
Posted By: Steve M C/IL
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 11:55pm
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IG;I wouldn't spend my money at Eff Shied.You don't get what you pay for.Okay for parts but quality work ain't there. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2010 at 8:31am
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well, rebuild kit is really not the correct term, it should be called a seal kit. How many engines have you rebuilt with only a gasket kit? Since the technicians attend a week long course to become stanadyne certified, there is no need for instructions in every kit. Josh, the EID weight retainer is the improved design that has encased rubber bumpers that can never come out, while still isolating the weights from the driveshaft shock. It eliminates the use of a flex ring entirely. Yes, our shop rate is $87/hr, and I only get a fraction of that, but the tooling expenses, as well as costs of being in business are getting rediculous. I am only a grunt mechanic, but I am full aware of the costs associated, and no I DO NOT work for scheid. I have seen some work from their shops, and am quite disappointed when customers tell me how much they spent. Also Josh, you stated that your guy takes about 3 hrs to do a DB, we are 4. How much more time is he spending with the tractor on the dyno "calibrating" the pump. At least another hour? So ultimately the customer pays for a substandard job, but spent about the same money. Plus I'm not too sure I'd want one of my old tractors on a dyno running the risk of overspeeding while getting hi idle set, as well as working it hard while setting the power. I have seen guys just turn up the fuel because it didn't dyno enough, when all along he had the timing off. I don't mean to slam people working on their own pumps, but when they start to slam what I do for a living, it tends to piss me off a little. oh yea, we warranty our work for a year, and the only time anything comes back in is always contamination! IG, you talking about scheid's exchange prices is why we dont do exchange on many pumps at all. you have to pad the price for when a crappy core comes back in, so everyone has to pay more, not just the guy who sent in a total piece of junk as a core. I prefer to rebuild your pump, you generally know the history, and it seems everyone wants theirs set a little different. Reman starters, and alternators may be ok, but injection pumps are not. This is the brains of your engine, and they generally are just set close to spec. the people building them have no idea what or why they are doing what they do. So it pays to use a qualified shop. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: BobH
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2010 at 3:03pm
| Well said Ed,if I need a pump rebuilt you will get my business!! |
Posted By: JPG AUSTRALIA
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2010 at 7:30pm
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Well I wish you had a shop over here in western aust Ed! because those prices are a bargain.Most fuelpump/injector places as soon as they see your pump want a few thousand dollars,I play around abit with them myself but only because of the rip offs.Had a CAV pump off a 354 perkins that I wanted akit in couldnt find a place to do it under a $1000 dollars! Kit was $50 to buy didnt, have the time to do it myself eventually found aguy to do it for aprice but still too much.All tractor dealer ships here charge about $100 an hour.(AUS $ =90c US) |
Posted By: Amos
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2010 at 10:41pm
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What ticks me off is taking a pump to a shop and telling them what it is doing wrong and being told we will fix it up correcting th problem. I told them it has a lot of hours and I want it right. Get it back for $600 dollars and it runs worse. Called them on the phone and explained this again.
Then I got thinking about it, got the bill out, it says pump set @ 77cc. Look in my service manual and it says 85cc....hmm....called him back and asked for the pump specs on my pump and he gets all pissy about it. So I go see him pump in hand and my service manual. I said to him heres my bill, my pump, I want to see your specs for setting my pump, he says I have to go to data base Issy I don't it says in my service manual and you set my pump wrong he says let me service manual I say lets see data base he says no I say well pumps still not right it says on the bill 77cc and service manual says 85. He says well for $100 I will set it @ 85. I say well better fix it. Pump comes back with the shut off stops set so I have to change the mounting bracket for the cable. It runs better now but still not the way I think it should run. Just real nervous as to why I had to move the shutoff cable mount. Last time I ever go to that pump shop. And I usually spend between $6000 and $10,00 a year there. Not the first pump that was wrong but the other ones all broke or blew up and they fixed them no charge for me. Yes blew up, took back as I recall over 40 pieces in a cardboard box on two different occasions.
And I also wonder how much they are making on each pump.
Run a 210 with the pump set @77cc and see what hp it has on the dyno. Don't expect it to pull very good or hold in there when you put a load on it. My 200 had more power on the same Dyno and it has over 3000hrs on it since I got it without the pump ever coming off.
Sorry, just struck a bone with me.
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Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2010 at 11:01pm
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Ed,
I dont at all want to piss you off. And I am not questioning your work. I saw your tractors at Dales and was very impressed. I am sure you do good work. All I was saying is that Sheid pretty well sets the standard around here,with pricing. If everyone else knows what they charge, there going to charge that also,wether sheid is riping me off or not. The thing with me being a farmer,I can't take my pump off and loose 4 hrs in a day watching someone rebuild my pump, I know that costs me,but its my life. I pay what everyone charges me,and I sell for what everyone tells me. ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2010 at 8:10am
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As far as garage rates, less than a third will be for actual paid labor. The benefits paid for by the employer, vacation time, sick time, work comp, insurance and so on add up quick and can come to another quarter of the rate, the rest is EPA fees, shop utilities, warranty coverage, tooling, taxes and base insurance for garageman's liability with business coverage for the facilities for fire/flood/ and so on. Actual profit is generally less than 10% and usually closer to 5%. I owned my own service for a few years hoping to make it big, problem is in this day getting and keeping quality workers is tough and the fees grow ever higher per year, I lost money three years in a row and sold out. |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2010 at 10:13am
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Hey Ed, what would it cost me for you to rebuild my pump?
... Its a Diesel Equipment Corp. pump, better known as DECO.
Model number got creased real hard and can't read it but I think it says K 164.. not sure. Says fire order is 1342. Plunger dia. 8.5 M.M. and lift is 3.3 M.M.
Just sorta kidding you Ed, but seriously with a pump this old (its for a K-O Allis crawler) where / who would have parts or to get them made?
Can you still get info on these pumps?
... Maybe if guts are too expensive, can a fellow retrofit the pump barrels with something else? Thanks, JC
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2010 at 10:30am
Ain't that the truth! City people that I know will never understand that is how farming works. Question is why does it work that way?
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Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2010 at 11:40am
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Lonn,
Everyone tries to justify what they charge,by we have to pay taxes ,workmanscomp,insurance and on and on. Guess what I do to,and still pay what they tell me and take what they give me. Those excuses dont fly with me. If it were my beans, They are 10.00 on the board the elevator is paying 9.75 because they can,thats what you get. If I were going into a shop to buy that pump. They say its 800.00 I give them 650.00 because that is what the local bid is. See how they like that on the other side .
IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2010 at 11:42am
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Because we are a bunch of dumb a88's that allow it to happen.
Back in the 70's when everything was get bigger and get more efficient so you can produce food cheaper, farmers should have adjusted their plans to 10% less than what was plaanned and threw the rest of the seed in the manure pit. Should have been satisfied with what they owned and not created surplusses. Now with all the gov involvments and foriegn trade with 4 day across the ocean with perishables we have to compete not only with north/south america but the world over. ... which means we give and we take what the big boys want us to have, (Cargill, conagra, general mills, monsanto, Tyson ...etc. The big business world players) They are in bed with the gov to have laws their way so they can make huge profits. We are the scum of the earth that grows what is needed to sustain life,, while THEY sell commodities. (going from looking at food as food to looking at it as something to make their wealth off of.
And our goods we had to sell did not go up with the cost of inflation or the price of fuel or fertilizer or the cost of machinery. Couple that with the stupid government people and we are in a sorry place... so is the rest of the country with no jobs and more taxes...and HUGE debts
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Posted By: CJohnS MI
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2010 at 12:23pm
Well, AMEN to that. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2010 at 12:55pm
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JC ,
You are so right. And if farmers (as a whole) hear corn is going to get higher they plant more. How STUPID. There are people around here planting corn on corn. Cutting there own throat and not smart enough to know it. If there is a shortage of something,plant less of it and keep the price up! 2 years ago when prices started going up and usage was up. I honestly think if everyone would have stayed in there rotation,we would still have 5.00 corn to this day. Instead everyone planted more.
IG
------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: firebrick43
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2010 at 3:13pm
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The general commodity farmer is his own worse enemy. As far as shop rates. 85 is bad. The shop I worked for charged 80 and didn't have the specialized test equipment of an injection shop. People complained of the price but when asked why they didn't do it themselves or take it to the cheap shop down the road it was always "I can't" or "They screw up" I did well there but decided that the nicer facilities/enviroment, hours, and benefits were worth more than the pay so I went back to being a machinist at CAT. Talking about pumps, some of the newer common rail pumps have such fine clearances that they are assembled in clean rooms with people wearing white suits and airlocks to pass in and out of. Wait 10 years until you have one of those babies rebuilt, then you really will be complaining. |
Posted By: joshjohndeere
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2010 at 4:19pm
| i hate to say it guys but we got way off track at trying to help this guy out with his hard starting problem, i am wondering if this gentleman has cleaned the screen on his sediment bowl and if the primer pum p is still plumbed in or has someone bypassed it? if they have and used a hose is that collapsed. i apologize for getting this whole post off track from the beggining, i would like to know what all has been done and what has been checked to try to find your problem??? |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2010 at 4:30pm
| Josh, thanks for the thoughts but yes the screen is gone from the sediment bowl, I have removed and cleaned and verified no more trash in the tank; I went as far as to replace the primer pump as it is handy for purging the fuel filter after replacement. The engine runs fine other than a bit hard to start hot or cold, long or short time off, the power is good but tends to surge hard once in awhile especially when the traction boost is working. Engine runs smooth except at mid throttle were it tends to be less than efficient at regulating fuel but is fine at the other ends of the range. I have run the valves, checked for air sucking and just have eliminated to the injection pump. |
Posted By: joshjohndeere
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2010 at 2:08pm
| welll it sounds like you have done your homework if i was u send the pump to ed, he seems to know his pumps from the sounds of it. maybe he can run it on his stand to verify the problem. good luck and dont forget to change the pump shaft seals when u put it back on and dont roll them or you will have fuel in your oil. hope swhe runs like a top. |
Posted By: joshjohndeere
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2010 at 2:11pm
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mr miller
the only other thing i forgot to ask is have u pulled your injectors and had them testeed they will make it hard starting and also can cause it to hickup if the fuel isnt atomizing.
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Posted By: GBACBFan
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2010 at 4:13pm
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If we don't like the economics of the business you're in, be it farming, retail, manufacturing, industrial, or whatever, we have the prerogative to get out and do something with payback more to your liking. It's still a free country, and nobody forces us to choose any one vocation over another. Life's way to short to be unhappy with our chosen field of work. ------------- "The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." - Mark Twain |
Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2010 at 5:06pm
| Nicely said |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2010 at 6:55pm
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GBACB, I am sure that your comment was directed at me. There is only one thing you are forgetting. If everyone decided to go for the money and stopped farming everyone would starve to death. Some of us have to stay on the farm and deal with things ,not run off to town and get a job with the benifits. I am sure it would be alot less stressful having someone pay half of my retirement,taxes and healthcare. But I would not be able to hold my head as high when I came through the door at night. I know every decision right or wrong is mine and I live and die by it. IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: CJohnS MI
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2010 at 7:20pm
...because it deserves repeating. I'm going to print this, frame it, and hang it on the office wall where I have to look at it every day. |
Posted By: GBACBFan
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2010 at 7:24pm
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My comment was a general one, but certainly fits your perspective. Because raising grain was your choice, it's unfair to expect that other businesses should function in the same " I sell for what everyone tells me" market circumstance you are in, or to complain because their method of marketing products and services is different than how grain is marketed. That's how your business worked when you got into it, so I'm assuming you went into it with your eyes wide open.
That isn't how the free market system for product and service markets are structured, nor have ever been structured. The merchant totals and evaluates all costs, establishes the required profit to succeed in business, and establishes the selling price he feels he needs to be successful. If you don't like what a merchant charges, you have the choice to buy products and services elsewhere. In a free market, you are not forced to go where you don't want to for these products or services. Whether free market business costs and burdens "fly with you" or not, that's how they work.
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Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2010 at 8:55pm
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LOL !!!!!!!! your a joke you have no clue how farming has changed over the last 25 years. At least be a man and say you were aiming it at me. Your welcome the next time you fill your belly. IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2010 at 9:10pm
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I cannot believe how much this gentleman's thread about repairing/diagnosing his tractor has become a b!tch session! I am embarrassed to be part of it, but still feel like I can help this guy. you'd think this was pulloff or something. I will not run a used pump on the test stand without dis-assembling it to at least clean it, and make sure it's worthy. I don't know of anyone who works on the old diesel pumps like the early tracklayers had. by the way, well said GB!
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2010 at 9:44pm
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Ed, have you ever talked with or heard of Dave Ferguson in Austin Mn? Seems like I remember reading about him restoring an A-O and either getting lucky and/or finding someone to make parts to repair it's DECO pump. He definitely knows the PSB pump well. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 6:25am
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can't say I have Brian. The biggest problem we run into with PSB's is the parts are so scarce/expensive. We have had to send hydraulic heads out to be re-built, and it can take several months. most recent was a PSJ for an Oliver 2150.
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |