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R Albart 
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Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 4:30pm |
What model is subsoiler & did this model have a stand on front to match tractor snap coupler? 
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Stan R
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Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 5:15pm |
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Maybe an "optical illusion" but looks too close to the pto?
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DiyDave
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Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 6:25pm |
Might have the blade mounted up-side-down, looks like it might clear the pto better, thatta way... Sorry, don't know the number, if it has 1... 
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Gary
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Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 6:28pm |
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I think it is a Model HM-1
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 6:48pm |
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I've never seen a stand for those and I do think I read somewhere the PTO shaft is supposed to be taken off when using the subsoiler.Also the arms are bent on the sub soiler so it makes the tongue come up higher than it should
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WD45
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Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 7:30pm |
In 1955 dad purchased a new subsoiler and the frame - 2 side plates had a bend upwards and the cross bar was mounted on the top of these flat bars. Also recommend to remove the pto shaft. The subsoiler we have now is equipped with a turn buckle.
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Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 8:20pm |
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According to the Manuel I have, it is a #3 WD subsoiler made by Athens Plow Co. The pictured subsoiler in this picture is wrong. The cross piece that holds the two coupler links should be on top and the shank should be in the back hole. This would give more clearance at PTO.
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j.w.freck
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Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 8:30pm |
you are right gary,I still have the allis fish hook style subsoiler.we had to remove the pto to operat it
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Brian F(IL)
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Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 7:36am |
I believe Doug is right calling it a #3. I've got a #4 which has a slightly curved mainframe to avoid hitting the PTO shaft. In the first picture, I had removed the PTO shaft because I thought it might hit it. It didn't, and I've since re-installed the PTO shaft. The second picture shows how the cross-beam should be mounted (I believe...)
Edited by Brian F(IL) - 16 Feb 2018 at 7:37am
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R Albart
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Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 8:44am |
Thanks for the info, like that logo on your subsoiler. Headed to farm show in Louisville, when I get back I will put hitch on top & straighten both lift arms. Will solve hitting PTO shaft & will go deeper in ground. located operating instructions for Model No 3 WD subsoiler.
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WD45
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Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 9:06am |
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IN the off season I would take the tooth off the frame an install a metal top oin the frame that we made from a steel roller, The top had sides bent up on the sides between the lift arms. We installed two steel 55 gal barrel on top and would go to the back of the farm to get water from a pond. Chop a hole in the ice and bucket the water into the barrel. The water was used to give the cattle a drink since our well had a poor flow, Finally Jan 1961 a 4" well was drilled in the 50 ft 5 ft dug well. This well is still running the farm today and thousands of gallons of water are used each season to spray the crops. We ran a WD with curved gear shift equipped with New Idea Horn loader and 3/8" tire chains. Sometimes the WD would get stuck and i would shovel it out and continue the journey. Back in those days there was no extra money so one made use of what was available or modified what we had to do the job,
Edited by WD45 - 16 Feb 2018 at 9:16am
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R Albart
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Posted: 19 Feb 2018 at 3:29pm |
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R Albart
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Posted: 21 Feb 2018 at 6:50pm |
Straighten rods & put mount on top, PTO has clearance, paint when weather permits. 
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Don(MO)
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Posted: 21 Feb 2018 at 10:23pm |
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I take the PTO shaft off before using my #3, it's the safe play. I have not looked in the book so I don't know if it talks about removing the PTO shaft or not.
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Posted: 22 Feb 2018 at 11:45am |
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if that middle square bar isnt broken it hasnt been pulled very much in tight soil.
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polarbear
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Posted: 23 Feb 2018 at 12:49pm |
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PTO should be removed Just like when you have a mounted plow
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Dave (Mid-MI)
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Posted: 23 Feb 2018 at 1:05pm |
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Both your subsoiler and Brian's are No 3 models. In April 1955 the straight beams were replaced with the curved beams, probably so that the PTO shaft could be left on the tractor. Info from the October 1958 parts catalog.
Edited by Dave (Mid-MI) - 23 Feb 2018 at 1:07pm
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Brian F(IL)
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Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 7:26am |
 Dave (Mid-MI) wrote:
Both your subsoiler and Brian's are No 3 models. In April 1955 the straight beams were replaced with the curved beams, probably so that the PTO shaft could be left on the tractor. Info from the October 1958 parts catalog.
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Thanks, Dave. I got too looking at some other pictures I had and even I referred to it as a #3. So, I'm glad you corrected me!
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