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Newbie here, just bought a WD45, trying to familiarize myself with it and have a few questions:

Axle s/n 166188, this corresponds to a 1954, correct?

Engine s/n 45-23124-G, the Operators manual says the format should be, 45FK110650 or 45FG110650.  What do I have?






Manifold appears to be a Dual Fuel, but there is only one gas tank, does this sound right?

There appears to be plate missing, is this important or should I just ignore it?






Still working on getting it started, seller said it ran earlier this summer, but who knows if that's true or not.  I'm sure I'll have more questions, but thank you in advance.  I've already learned a lot on this site.
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Hi P D! Welcome to the forum! Glad to have you aboard!
Just a little info, 
The serial number will start with a  WD and then the numbers. 
It's located just below the left rear brake spring hole on the very back.  
I wouldn't worry about the plate missing right now. 
It did have a purpose but I have forgotten what it was unless it had something to do with running a vacuum pump, but I may be thinking of a nipple that was piped into it to hook a hose to. 
I have the same setup here on my WD, but I don't milk cows neither, like I grew up doing. 



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Jim thank you.  I was referring to the engine s/n by the carb.  Here's the axle s/n:



Neither one of them seem to start with WD and it's entirely possible that it's a mishmash of different parts, hence my questions.
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I would concur that you have a '54 WD45 as per the serial number reference guide. 
But, I'd still look under the left rear brake spring hole for verification. 
My number is this: WD190615. 
If you don't have a "WD" in front of that number, at that location, then I'd say that there's been a swap along the line somewhere with a newer rear end. 
I only say this as you noted getting the number off of the axle vs. the location o fmost all of the WD's. 
The early ones had it stamped beside the left brake cover on top to the inside(or right side) of the cover. 


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BTW, where do you live in Kansas? I lived at Coffeyville from 77- 88.
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Don't worry about that plate. Just run pump gasoline in it. Non ethanol if possible. I'm unclear as to where you are getting the axle serial number from. The tractor serial number should be where Jim directed.
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The last picture I attached is the s/n under the left rear brake spring hole, it's 6 digits like yours, but doesn't start with WD.  I was calling it the axle s/n to differenciate it from the engine s/n.  Sorry for the confusion.  

The right side of the engine corresponds with a WD45, based on that and the s/n under the rear brake spring hole, I was under the impression that I had a 1954 WD45.  The dual fuel maninfold, coupled with the lack of dual gas tanks, leads me to believe that I have mishmash.  Also since neither of the s/n seem to match the standard formats, I'm wonder what I really have, hence my questions here.

I'm in the Columbus area, so about an hour East of Coffeeville.

Here's another pic of the location of the s/n that doesn't start with WD.  The engine s/n 45-23124-G is located by the carb and doen't have FK or FG after the 45, like page 16 of the operators manual gives as an example.



Sorry for all the dumb questions and thank you again.
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Oh, ok. Now I see. The blown up picture was what was throwing me with the lip on top of the number. 
Hmm, I wonder if the "WD" is filled in with paint that's before the number. 
Like Lonn said, Run it as is and use non ethanol gas if you can.
You'll be fine. 
I don't think that you have a mishmash. 
It's just the normal build for the operations on a farm at the time. 

DT has it right. No dumb questions here. Ask away. 

My "growing up" hometown is Carthage, Mo. where we farmed out southwest of it. 
You or your relatives may have heard of my dad, Alan Hancock, as he was a Funks G Hybrid seed distributor/dealer in the 70's, 80's and I think into the 90's. 
And he had a seed dealer there around Columbus that he delivered to. 
As a matter of fact, his area went 3 counties up the east side of the state! 


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that is a early WD manifold, my '49 WD has one like it ,but with the plate on it,, may have been on  WC's also
like others have said, good clean regular gas will be fine
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Michael, thank you.  Can any one confirm that the manifold was or wasn't used on 45s?
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I do not think that is the correct manifold for a WD45.  Yours looks more like those on a WC.  Here is the Kerosene manifold for the WD45.

'49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080
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Dseries4,

What are you seeing different other than the missing plate? I didn't think the WD45 had dual fuel. Mine may have had the engine replaced since it only has a single gas tank. Thank you!
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So you have confirmed that some WD45s had dual fuel. The right side of the engine is a WD45 with the removable plate. Would a WC manifold fit on a WD45? Again thank you, you guys are a wealth of knowledge!
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If the engine has a removable plate on the RH side, it started its life as a WC/WD 201cid engine, lotsa things could have been changed in its 60+ years..could have the insides changed to WD45 parts..and kept the WD outside parts...

Oh side note,, try an make pics jus a wee bit smaller..sure be a lot easier to make out what we're look in at..
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OK, another question, how do I make the pictures smaller?  I'm using Windows 10 and figured out how to crop the pictures in Paint, but how do I make them smaller?  Thanks again.
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I use a free program called fast image resizer.  Give it a Google.
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These old tractors all have a story to tell. Very few are really original unless locked in a time capsule for 50 years.
Yes smaller pictures will help us help you too:)
Welcome to a very good forum. You have a good tractor. I would agree that it sounds like you have a WD engine block but the insides could be modified for additional hp with an WD45 crank. You won't know unless you measure the stroke.
Good luck with your new tractor.
 BTW that manifold plate was on a WD t6hat we had on the farm.
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First of all, WELCOME!!
You stated;
"Here's another pic of the location of the s/n that doesn't start with WD.  The engine s/n 45-23124-G is located by the carb and doen't have FK or FG after the 45, like page 16 of the operators manual gives as an example."

You probably have paint covering the 'WD' and I can't make out the rest of it anyway, as the pic isn't that good.  (my tired old eyes?) (SHUT UP Shameless!!)

You DEFINITELY have a WD45 block as indicated by the serial #.  For info, go here;
http://wsmth.people.clemson.edu/SNFind/esn_tsn.htm Thumbs Up
Book mark that site, you'll use it often!!!

Your engine # 45 shows it's from a WD45, - 23124 shows it's in the range of 1954 (17400 - 50981) and the G at the end shows it is Gas.
So yeah, your's is definitely a 54 model. Smile

Yes, the manifold has been changed at some point.  The 45 did NOT come with dual fuel.  I don't have my manual here with me, it's at the farm, so I can't look to see where you got that ( 45FK110650 or 45FG110650 ) from. Confused

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I am thinking that you could get the 45 as dual fuel, at least early on. I think the Nebraska Test shows they tested one. I'll quick take a look and post it below.

This site shows a tractor fuel model tested Oct. 1953 test #511.
http://www.allis01.com/fossto/WD45-data.html
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Lonn, thank you for the additional link.  So although the WD45 was made in dual fuel, according to Ted, the G in the engine serial number means it was gas.  That plus the single gas tank would imply that the manifold was swapped at some point.

Stan, thank you for the image resizer info, here's my first attempt at using it and more questions:

What is the silver button on the electrical box?  I can't find it in the operator manual.



What is the lever for?  I can't find it in the operator manual.



More parts that came with the tractor, any ideas what they are?  An extra drawbar and ???



Again thank you for all of your assistance I really appreciate your putting up with a bunch of newbie questions!


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These are some other parts that came with the tractor.  The long shaft is the PTO which has been removed and I know what the center link off a 3-point is, but what about the other brackets?




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Hi P D. 
The silver button looks like a a starter button.Turn the key on and push it. 
Originally, the two loop rings under the quadrant were the starter and choke. Just pull back on the right one and engage the starter. Left one is the choke- just a quick pull shut and push open movement is all it takes, if that, to start it. 
The handle is a hand clutch. Put the transmission in gear and pull the handle back to engage the hand clutch to make the tractor move on the ground. This can be slipped all you want as it runs in oil and was designed that way for the implements of the day like a round hay baler. 
The spring is a snap coupler bell spring that helps keep the drawbar or other implement eye attached underneath the tractor. 
This also helps "feel" the draft on the drawbar or other implement attached and hooked to the traction booster. 
The arms are implement arms and look like they go to a blade. 
And the last pic is of the snap coupler latches and the pto shaft. 
The 90* plate appears to fasten to the tractor to accept a pto shield with the slot in it. 
Although, the wide step plate that comes with the tractor had one on them , and yours has it. 
So, it's a guess as to what it's for. 
Someone else can chime in on that. 



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Does your  WD by chance have a alternator on it instead of a generator, if it does the silver button could be to activate the alternator to make it charge also the left brake pedal is different, it should match the right one.
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Jim, thank you again.  The tractor has the two rings and the right one does engage the starter, the left one is the choke, but it's missing the spring and is wired open.  The hand clutch is interesting, Father had a WC and I don't remember anything like that on it.  Are the snap coupler parts worth anything?  I'm thinking I want to convert it to a 3-point if I get it running and everything seems to be in order.

Tom, thank you as well, based on the following picture, I assume I've got a standard generator:



I'll have to take the electrical box apart and see what if anything the switch is connected to.  I missed the different brake pedals!  Thanks again to everyone for chiming in and your patience with a newbie.


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there's a lot of us other learners who gain a lot by following your string here.
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The shield with the small slot in it pictured with the PTO shaft looks like a PTO shield for a C or B Allis or a 190 or D19.

Also in the same pic are snap couplers that go on the lift arms. They look like the later style which is much better than the ones a WD45 came with. Value on the snap couplers...... guessing $30 to $75 a piece and since those look pretty nice probably those rank at the higher end. You may want to keep them if you ever want to use the tractor with Allis snap coupler equipment like a plow or rear blade. For it's day, it was tough to beat a WD45 with Allis snap coupler equipment.
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Jim here's a better picture of the stuff in the picture with the snap coupler bell spring:



So other than the snap coupler bell spring and snap couplers, what am I missing to use a snap coupler?  My main initial use is to add a shredder/mower to cut  the trails through my woods.  Would I be better off with 3-point or a snap coupler shredder/mower?  All of my experience has been with 3-points.  How hard is it to find snap coupler equipment and how is it's price compare to 3-point?

Again, thank ALL of you for your time and patience.


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for that task i'd stick with a 3-point mower and that would be much easier to find.


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