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    Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 12:32pm
Friend of mine is looking at a International Cub...anything specific to be wary of... Yes it is a 57 year old tractor.
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smack him.  LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gary Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 3:04pm

I had a Farmal Cub once many many moons ago when I first started tinkering with tractors.

They have a flat head engine similar to an Allis G.

One unusual thing about them, they do not have a water pump.

Coolant circulates by 'warm water rises'.

Also the radiator does not have a bottom - so to speak.

The open bottom sits on the front casting, bolted to it with numerous bolts.

The hydraulic system was great, it had down pressure.

Great little tractor, lots of equipment specific to them.

Gary

link to Tractor Data website

http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/004/6/8/4686-farmall-cub.html
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Been there and done that.  Will not do it again.  Neato little tractors but SERIOUSLY underpowered.  Unusable, IMO.
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If you want to piddle around in the yard or garden these little tractors are okay but not for much else.
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I agree with being underpowered. My dad has one he mows with. Works good mowing level ground. Overpriced I think but they are cute little things.
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Early (red) ones were like 9 hp.  Later ones(yellow) were like 13.  Still not enough power to run a 5' mower deck, downhill on a warm day...Wink
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Thanks guys... I forgot to mention it is JUST for piddling in the yard and pushing 'light' snow...He had one or drove one when he was a youngen so that is the reason for the "want one" ... more sentimental than anything
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I've owned one for about 15 years or more.  It has a 5 ft woods deck.  I use it to mow my lawn.  They are actually a good little tractor, if you use them for what they were intended for, such as smaller vegetable plots.  Many of the issues and complaints arise from misuse...for example, they won't pull a wagon load of hay, but would you try and pull loaded hay wagons with an allis G?  Mines a 48.  Hydraulics are way ahead of allis hydraulics of the same era....
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the ones with the cast iron rear end were the best ones!
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What's your time sweat and energy worth to learn the ins-and-outs of another kind of tractor figure that out give him the money let him buy a allis and you'll be able to help him take care of it and if he ever decides to get rid of it you'll be able to buy it
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I have a 49 with a blade cycle bar mower plow and cultivator good for mowing weeds and 3 or 4 inches of snow have a g for plowing and cultivating the garden, bad thing is the pto turns the wrong way at the wrong speed so cannot us it to run elevator without extra gear box.
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If I were looking for a red tractor like that I would move up to the A, much more useable at about 16hp    Last year I went to the national IH auction and the cubs were selling for more than the A's, they are in demand by colectors for some reason.
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Floyd if he has memories with one, and it sounds like it,,,,,,,, tell him to go ahead and buy it if the deal is right................

Allis wasn't the only "good" tractor......................
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Buy an "A".
 
Farmall cub has to the most frustratingtractor ever next to a for 9N.
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So... I've never owned an IH/F-Cub. I've owned it's younger brother, the 154... a low-slung machine seemingly intended for running a belly mower.

Yes, thermosyphon cooled. The engine is called C60... it's a 60 cubic inch inline four, made by IH. It's smooth, but being flathead, doesn't have gobs of compression, doesn't breathe like an OHV, and it's not spinning like a FoodNinja... so no, they're not powerhouses.

The IH/F-Cub was originally built to replace a single-horse farm circumstance... single bottom 12 plow, a two- row mounted cultivator, or a sickle bar. With compact size and offset seating, a garden plot/truck farming application was the target... so the Allis G comparison is appropriate. The Allis G's Continental motivation was probably more capable than the C-60.

The Allis B, though, stomped the F-Cub into the ground in basically all categories other than crop visibility between the operator's feet.

Yeah, I'd pull a wagon with my B... anywhere on flat land, or up any hill it'd take. Going downhill... well... it'd be a bit unnerving... but I certainly would do it with a B before an IH/F-Cub.

But I'll bet this guy's application is simply enthusiast/entertainment value... something that keeps a man well adhered to his memories. That being the case, there's really only one machine that could be used in place of the F-cub in his memories...

...that'd be another F-cub.   

Go for it! Any old tractor, is a great old tractor.
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And by the way... for anyone who thinks nothing good ever came from the IH/F-Cub, I'll happily challenge anyone to bring ANY garden tractor of similar period, load it down with ballast however you choose, and chain it to the back of my IH Cub Cadet 109... because the IH Cub cast iron transaxle is NOT good at losing a tractor tug-of-war... it's HEAVY.   
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I was raised with a W C and a D/14 on a small farm but we had a cub to plant and plow one row at a time and a five foot mower.It was a little small but we done heaver work with A C.One year we had different crops  and rented some land .When all added up it was around fifty acres .We cultivated it all with the cub .Give it what it will take and wait on it.I have a AC  B and where a row comes to edge of field I can turn a cub while I am stopping to put B out of gear to get lift up and down.
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Originally posted by exSW exSW wrote:

Buy an "A".
 
Farmall cub has to the most frustratingtractor ever next to a for 9N.
Can a Cub lift 700 lbs several feet from the end of the lift arms? Oh wait...it doesn't have any... I vote for an 8N since we're on the topic now. Versatile units with plenty of parts availability, easy to maintain and operate, and implements are everywhere. 
But...to keep the peace...a CA would be a good choice as well.
I personally can't speak from experience on a Cub, but I looked at a $200 A once (ran great and looked decent) but I just thought it felt weird sitting off to the side. For cultivating I'm sure it was great. In fact, they marketed that as "Culti-vision". I would think for a cultivating tractor, a Farmall A/B/Cub and an Allis G would be hard to beat. If I just needed a cultivating tractor, I'd get the G if it were me, but if I was a red guy, I'd go with the cub or an A/B. 


Edited by CrestonM - 13 Nov 2017 at 10:35pm
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When I was growing up we had a neighbor that had a Cub. We borrowed it a lot one summer and I learned to cultivate corn with it.

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Brother in law had one said his lawmower could out pull it, finally got rid of it and replaced with a small Massey.
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Again, thanks guys, I have passed on the wisdom... ...Dave is right on the entertainment value (and sentiment) ...if my friend buys the Cub it will do veery little work.
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