not orange buying advice
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Topic: not orange buying advice
Posted By: FloydKS
Subject: not orange buying advice
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 12:32pm
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Friend of mine is looking at a International Cub...anything specific to be wary of... Yes it is a 57 year old tractor. ------------- Holding a grudge is like taking poison and expecting the other person to die |
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Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 1:13pm
smack him.  ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 3:04pm
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I had a Farmal Cub once many many moons ago when I first started tinkering with tractors. They have a flat head engine similar to an Allis G. One unusual thing about them, they do not have a water pump. Coolant circulates by 'warm water rises'. Also the radiator does not have a bottom - so to speak. The open bottom sits on the front casting, bolted to it with numerous bolts. The hydraulic system was great, it had down pressure. Great little tractor, lots of equipment specific to them. Gary link to Tractor Data website http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/004/6/8/4686-farmall-cub.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/004/6/8/4686-farmall-cub.html |
Posted By: cdon_FL
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 3:50pm
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Been there and done that. Will not do it again. Neato little tractors but SERIOUSLY underpowered. Unusable, IMO. ------------- Chris in NE Florida |
Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 4:08pm
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If you want to piddle around in the yard or garden these little tractors are okay but not for much else. ------------- Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God. |
Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 5:26pm
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I agree with being underpowered. My dad has one he mows with. Works good mowing level ground. Overpriced I think but they are cute little things. ------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK! |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 5:29pm
Early (red) ones were like 9 hp. Later ones(yellow) were like 13. Still not enough power to run a 5' mower deck, downhill on a warm day...
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Posted By: FloydKS
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 5:44pm
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Thanks guys... I forgot to mention it is JUST for piddling in the yard and pushing 'light' snow...He had one or drove one when he was a youngen so that is the reason for the "want one" ... more sentimental than anything ------------- Holding a grudge is like taking poison and expecting the other person to die |
Posted By: alan-nj
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 5:45pm
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I've owned one for about 15 years or more. It has a 5 ft woods deck. I use it to mow my lawn. They are actually a good little tractor, if you use them for what they were intended for, such as smaller vegetable plots. Many of the issues and complaints arise from misuse...for example, they won't pull a wagon load of hay, but would you try and pull loaded hay wagons with an allis G? Mines a 48. Hydraulics are way ahead of allis hydraulics of the same era.... ------------- If ignorance is bliss, than happy days are here again. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 5:47pm
| the ones with the cast iron rear end were the best ones! |
Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 5:53pm
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What's your time sweat and energy worth to learn the ins-and-outs of another kind of tractor figure that out give him the money let him buy a allis and you'll be able to help him take care of it and if he ever decides to get rid of it you'll be able to buy it ------------- You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul |
Posted By: Gordy
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 6:17pm
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I have a 49 with a blade cycle bar mower plow and cultivator good for mowing weeds and 3 or 4 inches of snow have a g for plowing and cultivating the garden, bad thing is the pto turns the wrong way at the wrong speed so cannot us it to run elevator without extra gear box. ------------- “If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough” |
Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 6:27pm
| If I were looking for a red tractor like that I would move up to the A, much more useable at about 16hp Last year I went to the national IH auction and the cubs were selling for more than the A's, they are in demand by colectors for some reason. |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 6:37pm
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Floyd if he has memories with one, and it sounds like it,,,,,,,, tell him to go ahead and buy it if the deal is right................ Allis wasn't the only "good" tractor...................... ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 7:20pm
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Buy an "A". Farmall cub has to the most frustratingtractor ever next to a for 9N.
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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 9:21pm
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So... I've never owned an IH/F-Cub. I've owned it's younger brother, the 154... a low-slung machine seemingly intended for running a belly mower. Yes, thermosyphon cooled. The engine is called C60... it's a 60 cubic inch inline four, made by IH. It's smooth, but being flathead, doesn't have gobs of compression, doesn't breathe like an OHV, and it's not spinning like a FoodNinja... so no, they're not powerhouses. The IH/F-Cub was originally built to replace a single-horse farm circumstance... single bottom 12 plow, a two- row mounted cultivator, or a sickle bar. With compact size and offset seating, a garden plot/truck farming application was the target... so the Allis G comparison is appropriate. The Allis G's Continental motivation was probably more capable than the C-60. The Allis B, though, stomped the F-Cub into the ground in basically all categories other than crop visibility between the operator's feet. Yeah, I'd pull a wagon with my B... anywhere on flat land, or up any hill it'd take. Going downhill... well... it'd be a bit unnerving... but I certainly would do it with a B before an IH/F-Cub. But I'll bet this guy's application is simply enthusiast/entertainment value... something that keeps a man well adhered to his memories. That being the case, there's really only one machine that could be used in place of the F-cub in his memories... ...that'd be another F-cub. Go for it! Any old tractor, is a great old tractor. ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 9:24pm
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And by the way... for anyone who thinks nothing good ever came from the IH/F-Cub, I'll happily challenge anyone to bring ANY garden tractor of similar period, load it down with ballast however you choose, and chain it to the back of my IH Cub Cadet 109... because the IH Cub cast iron transaxle is NOT good at losing a tractor tug-of-war... it's HEAVY. ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: wfmurray
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 9:49pm
| I was raised with a W C and a D/14 on a small farm but we had a cub to plant and plow one row at a time and a five foot mower.It was a little small but we done heaver work with A C.One year we had different crops and rented some land .When all added up it was around fifty acres .We cultivated it all with the cub .Give it what it will take and wait on it.I have a AC B and where a row comes to edge of field I can turn a cub while I am stopping to put B out of gear to get lift up and down. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 10:18pm
Can a Cub lift 700 lbs several feet from the end of the lift arms? Oh wait...it doesn't have any... I vote for an 8N since we're on the topic now. Versatile units with plenty of parts availability, easy to maintain and operate, and implements are everywhere. But...to keep the peace...a CA would be a good choice as well. I personally can't speak from experience on a Cub, but I looked at a $200 A once (ran great and looked decent) but I just thought it felt weird sitting off to the side. For cultivating I'm sure it was great. In fact, they marketed that as "Culti-vision". I would think for a cultivating tractor, a Farmall A/B/Cub and an Allis G would be hard to beat. If I just needed a cultivating tractor, I'd get the G if it were me, but if I was a red guy, I'd go with the cub or an A/B.
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exSW wrote:Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2017 at 7:32am
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When I was growing up we had a neighbor that had a Cub. We borrowed it a lot one summer and I learned to cultivate corn with it. Dusty ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: Trinity45
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2017 at 7:33am
| Brother in law had one said his lawmower could out pull it, finally got rid of it and replaced with a small Massey. |
Posted By: FloydKS
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2017 at 7:49am
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Again, thanks guys, I have passed on the wisdom... ...Dave is right on the entertainment value (and sentiment) ...if my friend buys the Cub it will do veery little work. ------------- Holding a grudge is like taking poison and expecting the other person to die |