D17 timing

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   Okay I'm chasing the gremlins in my D17.  Dang thing just doesn't run smooth.  So I thought if I threw a timing light on it I might be able to see if the dist being worn was throwing the timing around.
The manual says look for the timing mark in the hole on the RH side of the torque tube......okay.  No hole.  Do I need to drill.........?
Thought there was a post previously that said to look in the bottom inspection hole but that doesn't seem right to me - seems pretty akward to do with a light.  Dang manual show pics of every other dang part but not the timing mark/hole.  
Whats up with that?

Anyway......help anyone?

Cheers,
Creek the Slow

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Creek Jenkins Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Northern Minn Points: 812	Post Options Post Reply Quote Creek Jenkins Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: D17 timing Posted: 28 Jul 2010 at 8:48pm
	Okay I'm chasing the gremlins in my D17. Dang thing just doesn't run smooth. So I thought if I threw a timing light on it I might be able to see if the dist being worn was throwing the timing around. The manual says look for the timing mark in the hole on the RH side of the torque tube......okay. No hole. Do I need to drill.........? Thought there was a post previously that said to look in the bottom inspection hole but that doesn't seem right to me - seems pretty akward to do with a light. Dang manual show pics of every other dang part but not the timing mark/hole. Whats up with that? Anyway......help anyone? Cheers, Creek the Slow

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Brian G. NY Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: 12194 Points: 2244	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian G. NY Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jul 2010 at 8:57pm
	There should be a hole on the RH side of the torque tube at the bell housing end right where the flywheel is. It would be a rare D-17 if that hole wasn't there! There is a picture of the hole on page 54 of the Gasoline D-17 section of the A-C service manual.

DSeries4 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 7379	Post Options Post Reply Quote DSeries4 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jul 2010 at 9:00pm
	half way down the torque tube close to the engine - they all have them! No need to drill.

DSeries4 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 7379	Post Options Post Reply Quote DSeries4 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jul 2010 at 9:08pm
	it is between the 2 bolts that connect to the frame rail.

Creek Jenkins Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Northern Minn Points: 812	Post Options Post Reply Quote Creek Jenkins Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jul 2010 at 9:16pm
	Went back out to the shop to have a look. My manual has the power director on p 54, I must have a different manual. I looked at the torque tube thingy again....I think my loader frame might be covering it. Krap. Shined the timing light at the front pulley, the keyway shows up pretty klear. It does bounce around a bit, but not bad. Seems like it is missing once and while though - like every 5th or 6th time around at idle seems like the light doesn't fire. Krap. thanks, Creek

Brian Jasper co. Ia Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian Jasper co. Ia Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jul 2010 at 9:18pm
	Have you checked the distributor shaft? If it has any play in the distributor body bushing, your timing will never be constant and it will be impossible to accurately set the points.
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Creek Jenkins Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Northern Minn Points: 812	Post Options Post Reply Quote Creek Jenkins Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 8:54am
	Brian - Yep, there definitely is play in the shaft, it has about .008" play which I think is the max. That prob is contributing to the uneven running. But it also has other problems - Carb icing - the carb body gets really cold at the manifold connection, frost shows up if its 50F or below. Not sure how I could fix that. Last nite I started it up and adjusted the carb, she was running pretty good for 3 or 4 minutes, then it started to miss and the idle adjust screw did absolutely nothing. I could turn it all the way in and it made no difference. Manifold studs - also noticed last nite one or more of the manifold studs is leaking a bit of antifreeze. Just had the head done last fall, didn't think the studs went all the way into the water jacket. Could the head be cracked? Bottom end clunk - I'm hearing a soft clunking coming from the oil pan area at idle. Oil pressure is low after the engine warms up, this can't be good. I put new rod bearings in last fall but left the mains alone as the rods looked pretty new. I'm thinking the last guy that overhauled her did the same thing - maybe the mains are tired. I've got to split it this fall and change the rear seal, might as well do the mains as well. Hopefully that will fix the low oil pressure and clunking problem. cheers, Creek

Matt MN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Silver lake MN Points: 1491	Post Options Post Reply Quote Matt MN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 9:06am
	You should not have antifreeze coming out of the Manifold studs?? Unless the old ones have been drilled out and they were drilled way too deep and into the water jacket. Have you pulled out the spark plugs and looked for antifreeze on the plugs?? If you say it runs great with a cool engine but runs bad when the engine warms up it might be a head gasket? Also antifreeze in the oil can ruin a brand new set of bearings in no time. I would look closely at it.
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	couple manifold studs go into the water jacket,put sealer on threads,carb ice will form if air is very humid especially if throttle shaft is loose and suckin air.
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Creek Jenkins Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Northern Minn Points: 812	Post Options Post Reply Quote Creek Jenkins Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 2:30pm
	I think it was the upper stud farthest to the rear that was seeping, maybe one of the front ones as well. I'll pull'em out and seal them. Never thought about the throttle shaft - I'll pull the carb and see how much clearance there is around the shaft. Might be my prob - it has been pretty humid this summer. I put a carb kit in a coupla years ago, but prob won't hurt to take it apart and clean it up again anyway. No antifreeze in the oil or cylinder - plugs look good and the oil is nice and clear. Thanks guys I appreciate it, came in last nite from working on the old girl and told the wife it might be time to look for an apartment in town..... cheers, Creek