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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29910 |
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Well I dug the GP out of the mud from the donor, the rebuild process begins and YES, I put those holes in it before you ask. The MP bucket is just too heavy and hard to manage also being about 1/3 less volume.
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29910 |
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Used up what gas I had left for Gas Axe but got this far. Inside structure still good, played connect the dots on rub thru holes to cut away the excess scabs. Was three layers OVER the original skin and wear plates, just a mess outside. I get bottles refilled Friday then back at it until I can put it back inside the shop to start dressing for welding. Steel is ordered base plate and wear shoes in AR400.
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LeonR2013 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Location: Fulton, Mo Points: 3500 |
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Are those some grader cutting blades welded on the front of the bucket?
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29910 |
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Best I can tell, Yes. They are coming off too! Have a new 1" thick cutting edge awaiting.
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david weldon ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 05 Feb 2013 Location: ireland Points: 36 |
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are you taking of the 4 in 1 bucket on the 7g to put this on dave ?
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LeonR2013 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Location: Fulton, Mo Points: 3500 |
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I tried to use cutting edge off a grader one time. To dang hard for the app. I was using them for and broke real quick. Those things are really hard, but I guess they have to be.
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29910 |
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Old Ulrich bucket too dang heavy after using it this long for my purposes. Will keep it available and the lines will still be on the tractor with quick connects. But yes I am putting the GP on it for now.
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29910 |
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This is why the 4/1 I have is coming off. Six pivot points each side to do what most can with only three, lots of machinery moving and weighing tonnage. Do not understand the thinking on this bucket, why had to be so complex and heavy. Have gotten a bit further on the floor remove.
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LeonR2013 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Location: Fulton, Mo Points: 3500 |
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My O My. That is a heavy bucket isn't it? I guess it would have to be for it's intended use, but I think simpler would be better like you're doing.
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29910 |
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Have looked at all sort of 4/1, Multi Purpose and so on buckets, this is the ONLY Ulrich I have ever come across. I do not believe they were all too popular and most probably ended up against a gas axe long ago. Will keep it and if EVER I come to show the old girl at tractor shows will have the heavy critter on it.
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HD6 Merv ![]() Silver Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 2010 Location: New Zealand Points: 477 |
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yes can see why your taking it off now Dave. Is a complicated way of doing what most other 4 in 1 buckets do simply.
personally I wouldn,t have a track loader unless it had a 4 in 1 bucket. but that design is a definite exception. |
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tits tyres and tracks
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HD6 Merv ![]() Silver Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 2010 Location: New Zealand Points: 477 |
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My old 933G with how a 4 in 1 bucket should be
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tits tyres and tracks
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29910 |
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Had found a older 4/1 off another brand last year, had considered buying it and converting to fit the Allis but just could not bring myself there. Will manage with these two as I get the GP repaired it will be a good light on her toes machine for general work, will have the MP for when I choose to use the heavy beast.
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LeonR2013 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Location: Fulton, Mo Points: 3500 |
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You know it just came to me where one of these would be handy. Back in about 1960 I drove a dump truck and moved a lot of dirt. That would have been easy to run up to the truck and open it up and dump. Seems like it would have been a little faster.
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JohnCO ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992 |
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I had a 4 in 1 bucket on an IHC 500E crawler. It was handy for finishing the last few bucket fulls on the truck as you could also open it and use the bucket to push the material over to the other side of the box. They are also handy for pulling fence posts and picking up rocks or broken concrete in demo jobs. The straight blade was useful for pushing material without filling the bucket.
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"If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer"
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29910 |
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I had to 'open up' the entry to our farm for better visibility determined by MODOT, the Allis worked well even before I swapped transmissions where I was moving dirt off the road edge up to a old Chev 2 1/2 ton dump truck. I did use the 4/1 as noted to top fill and push the load to center and I did use it to pluck a few old wooden posts as well Honey Locust saplings. Only issue was riding hard on the idlers with all the weight up front empty, as well the bucket heaped would barely carry 1 1/2 yards where the GP has a 2 1/4-2 1/2(guessing) capacity
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JohnCO ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992 |
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Wow, D miller, either you were working late last night or up early, 3:02 am!
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"If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer"
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29910 |
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Nah, my computer doesn't clock right Is closer to 4:30am right now, never have figured that one out! I am up early, usually by 3:30am when work the day watches, or down late as 7:30am for night watches. Managed to get the remnant cutting edge removed last evening with a section of the bucket moldboard that was so hacked/jacked up along the leading edge I decided to remove and replace it too. That will only be a piece of 3/16" x 12" x 78". Remaining pieces of the old corner bits I will grinder away at the welds to see if can get them off cleaner that way. The next step clean up what I have now and start fitment then welding.
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29910 |
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This is inside for now, bad COLD weather coming for Saturday, did manage to get a few inner bottom welds cut into and overlaid. Still working on the welded, re-welded, over-welded and hacked up corner bits, may just end up using up what gas I have to 'wash' them off the side panels then reload the bottles AGAIN.
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LeonR2013 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Location: Fulton, Mo Points: 3500 |
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Dave I really like the way you're going at it. This is something the new age Operator/farmer doesn't have a clue how to do. This sort of thing was always fun to me. Bu the way my GGM was from Herman. Name of Shelton.
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29910 |
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My neighbor worked at L&S for a few years, also taught at Linn, he said he taught mechanic basics for the farm boys but never got this deep into a loader. I have only been in Hermann now for roughly five years, only lived here the last two and love it. Quite a few people have looked at what I get done and just marvel at the capability to swap from carpenter, to tile setter to electrician or mechanic then welder. Just some of the skills I honed or boned up on over the years.
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29910 |
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Was supposed to warm some today, I believe the weather liars were incorrect again but I did gain a little ground!! Got the side panels hacked away, gave up on saving any part of them and got a few pieces somewhat aligned and tacked in place.
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david weldon ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 05 Feb 2013 Location: ireland Points: 36 |
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great bit of work there dave.
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29910 |
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Thanks. A lot of fit up to do yet as I get to the cutting edge next. Have to set it and then set the floor to flip the bucket over to finish inside welds.
Should be a nice unit once completed. |
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LeonR2013 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Location: Fulton, Mo Points: 3500 |
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Man that is really looking good. The thing about a carpenter is that if he is a good one, he has to know a little bit about all that other stuff so he can prepare the things he's working on for the next guy.
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29910 |
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Ain't that the truth Leon!!
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JohnCO ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992 |
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Was talking to a friend yesterday at an auction, said he had spent the last couple weeks rebuilding a bucket on their FA wheel loader, said it nowhas more welding rod in it then steel!
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"If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer"
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29910 |
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Can get there pretty quick. I have already used five pounds 3/32 7018 rod for tacks, have a few more pounds to set before start in on the full line welds so picked up 30 pound 1/8" 7018.
Old moldboard had eroded to 3/16" thick, the side panels are 1/4", the side leading edges will be 1/2" AR400 as will be the cheeks under the low corner cutting edges and the rub shoes on the bottom. Bottom sheet is 3/8" as well AR400. The cutting edge I have is CASE NOS I bought from a local several months ago 1" x 10" x 96" and will be cut down to fit the 78" bucket. |
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29910 |
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A 'little' further along, only wish my welds looked as they did twenty years ago, hands not as steady and eyes not as sharp anymore. Cutting edge is affixed, need to set floor plate and flip it over.
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JohnCO ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992 |
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Good work, how much are you paying your self to do this?
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"If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer"
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