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LB0442 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Dec 2014 Location: Boise ID Points: 767 |
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This is a great auction coming up. This family has an exceptional amount of fine equipment. The second tractor on the list say's it's an "8070 experimental". Does anyone here know what made it different? What were they doing on it that was experimental. I have seen photos of some that had an extended front end for a different engine. This one looks like a normal front end. Possibly someone has been there and knows?
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JayIN ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Dec 2009 Location: SE/IN Points: 1982 |
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Sounds like that guy from Wisconsin that used to hall tractors from the factory. can't remember his name. Someone will chime in.--
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sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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Play Farmer ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Jan 2016 Location: NNY Points: 732 |
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That sure is a bunch of nice looking stuff.
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LeonR2013 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Location: Fulton, Mo Points: 3500 |
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Dang!
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Austin IL ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 30 Jan 2013 Location: Illinois Points: 673 |
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Fanetti?
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Lynn Marshall ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Dana, Iowa Points: 2163 |
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Deffinately a different front axle or at least some differences. Also another dipstick on the rear end?
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Darrell, Jr. (MN) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Arlington, MN Points: 234 |
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There were 4 8095 proto types built using Komatsu engines. These were tested at the Allis proving grounds and were ready for production when Allis was sold Duetz. These would've been the first 200+ HP FWA tractors on the market, but Duetz decided not to build them. The tractors were dismantled and the engines were sent back to Komatsu. The tractors ended up being sold for parts with 1 having an Allis engine installed which shortened the tractor back to 8070 wheel base, and 2 of the other 3 ending up with (I think) Cummins engines and being used for farming by the Hunley (spelling?) family. I'm not where the 4th ended up. The tractor in the Fenetti collection was at the Orange Spectacular (along with the last tractor off of the assembly line) in 2003 and I think the serial number was stamped like 8095X or something like that.
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Daehler ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 23 Nov 2010 Location: Lexington MO Points: 1153 |
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Its what's left of one of the 8095s. I think he was supposed to have the rest of the parts. There should be a frame extension that made it longer, and the grill is wider for a bigger radiator. According to Norm Swinfords book it would have been the industies first 200 pto horse tractor, although I bet some 7080's came out over that
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JohnCO ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992 |
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I wonder if any of those tractors will ever see the field? Anyone want to make guess what that 8070 experimental will bring?
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8365 |
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I want to see what the 1984 L3 brings! That'll give me an estimate at what ours is worth, because ours looks just as clean as that one!
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jordo2011 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 01 Mar 2016 Location: Manchester, IA Points: 12 |
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i'm excited to see what the 6070 brings. it is amazing what shows up in collections. just wish calling dibs would be enough to bring a few of those beauties home
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farmboy520 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jun 2016 Location: Beason, IL Points: 553 |
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I'm excited to see what they all bring
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ILGLEANER ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Willow Hill,ILL Points: 6443 |
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If that's an experimental 8070. Why would it have a serial number of 1600 which would be in the middle of the 8070 run ? Maybe that is when the 8095 project was started ? Without the extension of the frame and the sheet metal you really have nothing. Hunleys have the long frame, and the komotsu motor in it. As far as l know. No one got any of the transmission that was coming out in the 8095. Mark would know more then any of us on here.
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8365 |
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True!
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Daehler ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 23 Nov 2010 Location: Lexington MO Points: 1153 |
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When Don passed away OAN had a article about the collection, it said that the rear end, transmission and cab were well used from the testing so he put stuff off an 8070 on it. I think the article said he kept the pieces but not for sure. The only thing left on that tractor is the front end and tires. |
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8070FWA,7080 BlackBelly, 7045,2 200s,D19,D17,G, WD,45,UC,7 AC mowers and lots more!
"IT TAKES 3 JD's TO OUT DO AN ALLIS, 2 TO MATCH IT IN THE FIELD AND 1 FOR PARTS!" |
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ILGLEANER ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Willow Hill,ILL Points: 6443 |
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So it's just an 8070 , that was used in testing,when they were developing the 8095 ? Edited by ILGLEANER - 04 Aug 2016 at 1:37pm |
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acben20 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: waseca Points: 982 |
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Seen it at hutch show in 2003 it's just a normal 8070 with a 8095 front axle stuffed under it that they found laying around some where.. It's a $30,000 tractor with well we will find out how much the axle is worth lol.. I'd he had the rest of the parts you would think they would sell with it.. In my eye it's just a 8095 replica..
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JimIA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Castalia Iowa Points: 1979 |
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Actually its the rear end that is different. Look at the rear wheels, much different form in the cast centers. It also has two dipsticks coming out of the back(one might be a different fill tube). As far as I understand the 8095s had a heavier rear end and a heavier power director transmission. This one has since had a power shift installed.
Im hoping Mark will chime in, he is the one here who for sure knows what he is talking about when it comes to these tractors. One thing I can guarantee, you would have the only one if you bought it! Jim |
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427435 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 18 Nov 2010 Location: SE Minnesota Points: 18637 |
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I'm not sure what that tractor is. The FWA axle isn't in the normal 8070 location, but that's about all I can tell from the photo. People have moved the FWA forward on the stock tractors. We did have some 8070 test FWD tractors, but their axles were in stock locations. It could be parts of an 8095 prototype, but their frames were built longer (no extension) and the axles were set back more than that tractor. If I remember right, we ran the test 8070 FWA tractors longer and didn't release that option with the original 8000 release. Could be one of those test tractors. One thing for sure, we never made up decals that said "Experimental" on them, so hard telling what all that tractor is pieced together from. ![]() |
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Mark
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TREVMAN ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 04 Jan 2010 Location: Regina,Sask,Can Points: 1635 |
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If you look at the pic real close and then at the next 8070 mfwd, it appears the front axle is set farther ahead, may also be heavier. Trev.
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45 turboa- ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Feb 2012 Location: coral city wi Points: 441 |
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Go to machinery Pete he is interveiwing Fanettis farm manager he talks about all of the tractors.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19741 |
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For sure, if they would have released a 200 HP FWA 8095, the front axle needed to be beefier than the axle they were currently using. It was pretty maxxed out at the 170 HP level for most applications.
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427435 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 18 Nov 2010 Location: SE Minnesota Points: 18637 |
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Yes, the FWA was heavier than on the other 8000 Series. The 8095 (really 9025 ![]() |
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Mark
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JimIA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Castalia Iowa Points: 1979 |
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Looks to me like it has heavier final drives as well. The top picture is the "Experimental" rear end, the other is the other 8070 on the auction.
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acben20 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: waseca Points: 982 |
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Jim we have a late 8070 with the heavy final drives and the same factory 42 cast wheel centers I think there was a serial number break for the final drives. Ours also have longer fram along the motor and the front axle is moved 18" forward.. Looks factory
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acben20 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: waseca Points: 982 |
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Just looked at ours and it has the filler neck moved and a factory delet cover like this one too..
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427435 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 18 Nov 2010 Location: SE Minnesota Points: 18637 |
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The 8095 prototypes had the 7080 and earlier 8070 final drives---------nothing special about them. |
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Mark
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hillmonkey ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Location: oville fl Points: 417 |
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which one will sell for more, the FWD 220 or the 8070EXP? I will guess the 220.
I want the 185,4W220,4W305 so dont bid on those please,HAHA. Surprised there no 190s also. |
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ILGLEANER ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Willow Hill,ILL Points: 6443 |
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So just as l thought. Its nothing more then an 8070. The front axle location means absolutely nothing. Have seen several moved forward.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19741 |
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Maybe it had the prototype 18-speed Power Shift ?? Same PST but with a 3-speed range transmission. I know it was in the works.
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