Just got an e-mail from AGCO

I just got an e-mail from AGCO:

AGCO Corporation appreciates the comments you have shared. Ideas from you as a valued customer help us to continue meeting your agriculture equipment needs.

As you know, we recently made some important decisions regarding our North America brands, including a plan to phase out AGCO tractors over time. We announced these plans to our dealers in mid-November and are working with them to provide continued parts and service support to our AGCO customers.

In the next few days, we will have additional details on this important topic and will share more information with you in another e-mail.

Thank You,

AGCO Answers

Wait a minute! We see lots of repeat posts on many topics (ex: converting 6v to 12v, tractor shows, engine issues...). One of the nice features of this website is that there aren't a lot of rules, and one rule we don't have is that we can have only one thread per topic.

That said.....the AGCO response is typical big corporation language indicating that "here's an answer to your input, and we really don't care what you think." Been around large corporations for 35+ years......sounds familiar!

WC, CA, D14, WD45

goose, keep posting, reposting is fine. You made your topic pretty clear.

I am dissapointed that AGCO is going red, they mite as well go deutz green. Seriously, how much trouble is it to paint a tractor any of 3 different colors. I think I hear aircooled engines again.

At least the CIH guy has 19 years with the company. He might actually know something about the farm equipment business.

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I received the same response today. Haven't they heard the old saying, "Dance with who brung ya?" I just can't believe how easy it was for them to disregard the wishes of the Allis fans. This will be the last straw for many orange customers, as we are witnessing here in our ranks.

If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done!

John - LOL!

any questions where john stands

I guess we have to face it. AGCO is dead. Red and yellow do not make Agco nor anything near what we hold dear. I hope they just pack up and move everything to Germany. They sell red and yellow over there. Of course, they didn't shut down all the dealers over there.

When you find yourself in a hole,PUT DOWN THE SHOVEL!!!

Allis has had several deaths IMO. The last being when the plane crash killed some of the AC guys for AGCO and when Martin took over.

I have three New Holland dealers closer than the AGCO one I go to. It's hard to beat my AGCO dealer though. Their very nice people and good to work with. They sell New Holland stuff but am not sure on the tractors yet. I have a feeling they might go that way so I'll be sure to check with them.

I guess upstanding is in the eye of the beholder. AGCO cheated on me so I'm divorcing here and all her friends. New Holland may have cheated on her companion and I definitely take that into consideration, but she didn't cheat on me. There are a lot of things I don't like about New Holland because of AGCO. Their corporate/wall street still, their foreign owned and now foreign run, and their blue. I think their boomer line is ok, their TV6070 I've liked since versatile and I really like the fact that they built the new 8n. It shows a loyalty to their roots that AGCO hasn't shown in the past several years. I don't care for any of their other tractors. The big ones I think are made in US which is a bonus. I'm not sure what I'll do except I know it won't be AGCO. New Holland is one of the options and a good candidate.

I'm emotional with all this but also value conscious. It takes a long time for me to work out a deal. I could really use a utility tractor/loader and Kubota and Deere lead in that. Deere only because theirs is a heavy built tractor and the only one assembled in the US. I could hold onto my RT100a but I don't see it holding it's value as the orange is fazed out. I could get another big tractor and that's really between Kubota, Deere and maybe JCB, (Deutz is a looonnng shot). I don't really need a big tractor and big used hp is cheap so if I did down the road I could pick up something. Anyway, it really depends on the deal. Like I said, I've always like the bi-directional tractor and it would fit my needs well. Having an RT for me was a tough process and I don't want to loose money on it but there are some deals out there right now. And, the value of my orange AGCO took a hit a couple of weeks ago when they said their not making them anymore.

I agree the the bi-directional is a handy unit. The big New Holland is a pretty good tractor. It is a Magnum with different sheet metal. The mid-size 90-160 range was pretty iffy. They kept the ford midsize and sold the case midsize to McCormick. I think the Case was the better unit. In the smaller units, they are decent as far as I know. I know in the past, Ford normally had sleeveless engines. Not sure if they still are. You would want to go with sleeves if you keep it for a long time and will need to overhaul.

We looked at Kubota. They make a good engine but the tractor seems light and "tinny". Deere 5000 range are imported with hoods and tires slapped on in the US so I am not sure if they are really US made.

Have fun shopping! I take a long time to buy stuff too but get what I want when I make up my mind.

I have a Kubots M110 about 6 years old. It runs my Hesston 12' diskbine and Hesston 4600 baler. Sometimes I plow with it and an AC 3 bottom spinner plow but usually use the AC 7580 and JD 1710 disk chisel or 230 24' disk. The Kubota has plenty of power and is nice to run. The air conditioning on really hot days is less then great but blowing out the radiator helps. I like the two range, 8 speed power shift and outside 3 point control for attaching equipment. The price was right, I bought it from a dealer in Wyoming as the farm economy was slow and small tractors were selling fast and they needed the money for more small ones. There are 5 Kubota dealers 20 to 100 miles of me, one AGCO 60 miles away. I'm not as upset about the end of orange as a lot of you but if I owned stock in AGCO I would be raising hell with management. It is a bad, bad decision to drop Orange tractors in N. America.

My 2 cents.

"If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer"
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Guys: I agree with many of the statements made above that Allis has been gone since 1985. Given Corporate Greed in all places on the American Landscape, I think the only feasible solution for Allis Tractors to make a comback is for us to continue to collect and manufacture our own parts, thereby saving the Orange Allis legacy. Or create an investment company, purchase the AC name and seek a builder to update the D series and start from there.

Damn shame that greed and corporate welfare has trampled on an American Instituition and cornerstone of the American Independence - "Allis Chalmers". I say we unite as an Investment Company and build Orange Tractors again till there found on every corner of the Globe.

Proud to be an Allis Chalmers Man!!

Unfortunately, there is not a market for older tech tractors. The White tractor line is a prime example. The 6 speed with over/direct/under had been around since the 50s or 60s. They were simple and reliable. But no one would buy them. Imagine having to clutch to change gears!

I think it would be good to see old designs come back but don't think it will ever happen.

I doubt AC Energy would get into the industry again either. As a point of curiosity, I worked with an AC crew a couple years ago. They were pumping cryogenic nitrogen while we were drilling gas storage wells with coiled tubing. It was a surprise to see a blue and white truck pull on location with the AC logo on the door!

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Goose Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: Melrose, Wis Points: 2471	Post Options Post Reply Quote Goose Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Just got an e-mail from AGCO Posted: 30 Nov 2009 at 1:53pm
	I just got an e-mail from AGCO: AGCO Corporation appreciates the comments you have shared. Ideas from you as a valued customer help us to continue meeting your agriculture equipment needs. As you know, we recently made some important decisions regarding our North America brands, including a plan to phase out AGCO tractors over time. We announced these plans to our dealers in mid-November and are working with them to provide continued parts and service support to our AGCO customers. In the next few days, we will have additional details on this important topic and will share more information with you in another e-mail. Thank You, AGCO Answers

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roosky01 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 371	Post Options Post Reply Quote roosky01 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 Nov 2009 at 3:00pm
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Dave(inMA) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Grafton, MA Points: 2398	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dave(inMA) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 Nov 2009 at 3:21pm
	Wait a minute! We see lots of repeat posts on many topics (ex: converting 6v to 12v, tractor shows, engine issues...). One of the nice features of this website is that there aren't a lot of rules, and one rule we don't have is that we can have only one thread per topic. That said.....the AGCO response is typical big corporation language indicating that "here's an answer to your input, and we really don't care what you think." Been around large corporations for 35+ years......sounds familiar!
	WC, CA, D14, WD45

Byron WC in SW Wi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 1635	Post Options Post Reply Quote Byron WC in SW Wi Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 Nov 2009 at 5:18pm
	In the next few days, we will have additional details on this important topic and will share more information with you in another e-mail. Last week was a few days. I think their just going to say hey you can buy an MF now! Yippie. I had the New Holland guy come by today. Looking at the TV6070 bi-directional tractor to replace my AGCO. Looking at other brands besides AGCO now. Went to the Kubota and JD dealer on Friday. Edited by Byron WC in SW Wi - 30 Nov 2009 at 5:18pm

steve Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: SEMO Points: 98	Post Options Post Reply Quote steve Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 Nov 2009 at 5:34pm
	goose, keep posting, reposting is fine. You made your topic pretty clear. I am dissapointed that AGCO is going red, they mite as well go deutz green. Seriously, how much trouble is it to paint a tractor any of 3 different colors. I think I hear aircooled engines again.

Russ-neia Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NE Iowa Points: 489	Post Options Post Reply Quote Russ-neia Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 Nov 2009 at 9:40pm
	I'm with Steve on this one. Deutz all over again... But, since misery loves company, have you noticed that they appointed another German to head Case IH? http://www.cnh.com/wps/portal/cnhportal/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLd4039PEFSZnFO8UbuZrpR2KImSLEgvS99X098nNT9QP0C3JDI8odHRUBH-ku2g!!/delta/base64xml/L0lDU0NUTzdvSko3dWFDU1kvb0dvUUFBSVFKQUFNWXhqR01VcGpHS1l3eG1BIS80SkZpQ09zVGxFNkN1QTJKeWlkQlhmckNFQSEhLzdfQl8yNVFVLzI!?parm1=docID=News_2009_139_11182009 Probably going to be a very jolly Christmas party at JD this year!
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JohnCO Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992	Post Options Post Reply Quote JohnCO Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 Nov 2009 at 10:03pm
	At least the CIH guy has 19 years with the company. He might actually know something about the farm equipment business.
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SHAMELESS Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EAST NE Points: 29486	Post Options Post Reply Quote SHAMELESS Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 Nov 2009 at 10:51pm
	ya know....they forget who kept them in business in the first place here in the usa, when they started dropping dealerships, you're gonna lose business, if agco would put a dealership every 100-150 miles, they would wipe out alot of competion, ya see...other brands have done the dealership thing...either build a new building or lose your dealership! a pretty building does not do a farmer any good, it's the people inside that make the difference, i know of several dealerships (all brands) that have gone thru this phase. we allis people were all very happy when agco formed and saved allis from extinction...(pardon some of my spelling) but now....they are getting to be no better than john deere. the only thing saving the green tractors here in the usa are the kickbacks from the toys, blankets, clocks, lights, clothing, songs, etc... alot of people and corp's have made alot of money by making things that make about every piece of john deere equipment work better or make them work at all. ya all didn't see that happening with allis-chalmers, they made it right the first time! that's pride in their workmanship! nope...now agco wants to be just like john deere, i'll bet those executives even have a john deere mower in their garages!! i could go on...but i think you get the picture!....curt

redline Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Collins, IA Points: 1013	Post Options Post Reply Quote redline Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 12:48am
	I received the same response today. Haven't they heard the old saying, "Dance with who brung ya?" I just can't believe how easy it was for them to disregard the wishes of the Allis fans. This will be the last straw for many orange customers, as we are witnessing here in our ranks.
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John_SWPA Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 21 Oct 2009 Location: Burgettstown,PA Points: 148	Post Options Post Reply Quote John_SWPA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 2:59am
	Just let them know that you don't plan on buying anything they sell, and you are selling or scrapping the stuff you own that has a connection to their business. I, for one, am serious about selling everything I have that says Allis Chalmers, or Agco on it. I don't care about heritage. My grandfather's first tractor was a WC. My dad bought the first 190 in this area. My first tractor was an Agco. But now it is done. I will let them know. I will sell my gleaner combine, and I won't look back. German owners eliminating north American brands seems too similar to Hitler in WWII. the owner is a retard. I hope he gets well someday, but until then, he lost me, and my business. Hopefully Germany will fall into the core of the earth and take the owner with it. Their heads are way too big. Their accent is too outrageous. I spit on them for being so callous. Hopefully enough people are with me and we get them to sell the name to an american with vision. They, obviously have no 20/20 sight, let alone vision. I hope them the best in life. In the meantime, I hope they wise up, or die a sad death(like a plane crash) and give up dealing internationally. Agco is a joke. Agco is like a 3 legged horse. Agco needs adult diapers. Agco is one of those companies that satan himself would invest in. Agco needs it's bottom spanked. Agco should jump off a bridge. Agco and it's owners need to step into a pile of manure. Agco is German, and Germany died in the 1940's. Germany and it's farmers need to stay in Germany. North America is no place for a bunch of vaginas. Thank you
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Byron WC in SW Wi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 1635	Post Options Post Reply Quote Byron WC in SW Wi Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 5:26am
	John - LOL!

Jerry (Ohio) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: United States Points: 58	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jerry (Ohio) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 5:27am
	I got the same e-mail. i guess it is over for the orange.

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	any questions where john stands

DonDittmar Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: MIllersburg, MI Points: 2484	Post Options Post Reply Quote DonDittmar Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 6:59am
	"Germany and it's farmers need to stay in Germany. North America is no place for a bunch of vaginas." John well said
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Bob D. (La) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Louisiana Points: 25529	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bob D. (La) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 7:00am
	I guess we have to face it. AGCO is dead. Red and yellow do not make Agco nor anything near what we hold dear. I hope they just pack up and move everything to Germany. They sell red and yellow over there. Of course, they didn't shut down all the dealers over there.
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DonDittmar Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: MIllersburg, MI Points: 2484	Post Options Post Reply Quote DonDittmar Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 7:05am
	Bob has a point. To me Allis Chalmers died in 1985. AGCO will never be Allis Chalmers in my book, and until someone turns the lights back on in West Allis, it will remain dead. My biggest fear is someone marketing tractors under the AC name, but it not being the quality we are used too.
	Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start

Byron WC in SW Wi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 1635	Post Options Post Reply Quote Byron WC in SW Wi Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 11:25am
	Allis has had several deaths IMO. The last being when the plane crash killed some of the AC guys for AGCO and when Martin took over.

Spud Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: North Dakota Points: 601	Post Options Post Reply Quote Spud Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Dec 2009 at 5:12am
	New Holland? Fiat bought the Ford line and then started painting all their tractors blue and phased out there own Fiat colors. Sounds familiar! If New Holland has a better dealer or is closer, it makes sense to go to them. If you are going to them because you think they are more upstanding, then I would disagree!

Byron WC in SW Wi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 1635	Post Options Post Reply Quote Byron WC in SW Wi Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Dec 2009 at 7:26am
	I have three New Holland dealers closer than the AGCO one I go to. It's hard to beat my AGCO dealer though. Their very nice people and good to work with. They sell New Holland stuff but am not sure on the tractors yet. I have a feeling they might go that way so I'll be sure to check with them. I guess upstanding is in the eye of the beholder. AGCO cheated on me so I'm divorcing here and all her friends. New Holland may have cheated on her companion and I definitely take that into consideration, but she didn't cheat on me. There are a lot of things I don't like about New Holland because of AGCO. Their corporate/wall street still, their foreign owned and now foreign run, and their blue. I think their boomer line is ok, their TV6070 I've liked since versatile and I really like the fact that they built the new 8n. It shows a loyalty to their roots that AGCO hasn't shown in the past several years. I don't care for any of their other tractors. The big ones I think are made in US which is a bonus. I'm not sure what I'll do except I know it won't be AGCO. New Holland is one of the options and a good candidate. I'm emotional with all this but also value conscious. It takes a long time for me to work out a deal. I could really use a utility tractor/loader and Kubota and Deere lead in that. Deere only because theirs is a heavy built tractor and the only one assembled in the US. I could hold onto my RT100a but I don't see it holding it's value as the orange is fazed out. I could get another big tractor and that's really between Kubota, Deere and maybe JCB, (Deutz is a looonnng shot). I don't really need a big tractor and big used hp is cheap so if I did down the road I could pick up something. Anyway, it really depends on the deal. Like I said, I've always like the bi-directional tractor and it would fit my needs well. Having an RT for me was a tough process and I don't want to loose money on it but there are some deals out there right now. And, the value of my orange AGCO took a hit a couple of weeks ago when they said their not making them anymore.

Dale-OH Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: SW OHIO Points: 895	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dale-OH Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Dec 2009 at 9:13am
	Byron I understand your issue but the value of the orange tractor has not dropped to an AGCO Dealer... Deere and NH might tell you that. I only sold 3 new orange tractors last week so I wouldnt give yours away yet.

Spud Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: North Dakota Points: 601	Post Options Post Reply Quote Spud Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Dec 2009 at 10:35am
	I agree the the bi-directional is a handy unit. The big New Holland is a pretty good tractor. It is a Magnum with different sheet metal. The mid-size 90-160 range was pretty iffy. They kept the ford midsize and sold the case midsize to McCormick. I think the Case was the better unit. In the smaller units, they are decent as far as I know. I know in the past, Ford normally had sleeveless engines. Not sure if they still are. You would want to go with sleeves if you keep it for a long time and will need to overhaul. We looked at Kubota. They make a good engine but the tractor seems light and "tinny". Deere 5000 range are imported with hoods and tires slapped on in the US so I am not sure if they are really US made. Have fun shopping! I take a long time to buy stuff too but get what I want when I make up my mind.

Byron WC in SW Wi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 1635	Post Options Post Reply Quote Byron WC in SW Wi Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Dec 2009 at 1:08pm
	Spud, Deere 5000 D/E made in india. Deere 5000 M assembled in US with who knows what they have for components. Kubota can't compete with Deere/Case/Agco on big tractors. Their bigger tractors competes well with an AGCO LT or Deere 6000 series but I'm not sure I wanna go there. If you want an RT/DT sized and equipped tractor you gotta go with CNH/AGCO or Deere. But then some other doors open I'm not familiar with like Versatile, JCB etc. Mc Cormick is in there too but am not super familiar with them. Also, Deutz/SAME, Landinni etc. There are choices. Dale, I won't give it away. I got a good deal on it and I'll get what I traded for in it. I did that on my last tractor and the dealer still did good. I'm sure the value will drop in the next year or so as orange disappears and a lot of the AGCO dealers go to other brands. One Case/IH dealer has told me he has a buyer that wants an orange AGCO when they get one in on trade. We'll see. I know you gotta find one on the lot you like and that's the bummer with the New Holland. They have one but it's blue. I don't care for blue and the yellow looks better to me. I never thought I'd get anything but an orange tractor but I'm ticked at AGCO. B.

JohnCO Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992	Post Options Post Reply Quote JohnCO Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Dec 2009 at 6:16pm
	I have a Kubots M110 about 6 years old. It runs my Hesston 12' diskbine and Hesston 4600 baler. Sometimes I plow with it and an AC 3 bottom spinner plow but usually use the AC 7580 and JD 1710 disk chisel or 230 24' disk. The Kubota has plenty of power and is nice to run. The air conditioning on really hot days is less then great but blowing out the radiator helps. I like the two range, 8 speed power shift and outside 3 point control for attaching equipment. The price was right, I bought it from a dealer in Wyoming as the farm economy was slow and small tractors were selling fast and they needed the money for more small ones. There are 5 Kubota dealers 20 to 100 miles of me, one AGCO 60 miles away. I'm not as upset about the end of orange as a lot of you but if I owned stock in AGCO I would be raising hell with management. It is a bad, bad decision to drop Orange tractors in N. America. My 2 cents.
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Spud Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: North Dakota Points: 601	Post Options Post Reply Quote Spud Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Dec 2009 at 6:37pm
	Is that the Greely dealer John? I know there is Agco in Grand Junction but I think they just have it for the Hesston balers.

orangeman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 1781	Post Options Post Reply Quote orangeman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Dec 2009 at 6:43pm
	Guys: I agree with many of the statements made above that Allis has been gone since 1985. Given Corporate Greed in all places on the American Landscape, I think the only feasible solution for Allis Tractors to make a comback is for us to continue to collect and manufacture our own parts, thereby saving the Orange Allis legacy. Or create an investment company, purchase the AC name and seek a builder to update the D series and start from there. Damn shame that greed and corporate welfare has trampled on an American Instituition and cornerstone of the American Independence - "Allis Chalmers". I say we unite as an Investment Company and build Orange Tractors again till there found on every corner of the Globe. Proud to be an Allis Chalmers Man!!

Byron WC in SW Wi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 1635	Post Options Post Reply Quote Byron WC in SW Wi Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Dec 2009 at 8:28pm
	Orangeman, I think that can happen but we gotta wait for AGCO to get a little more desperate. Once they leave North America they probably won't care.

Spud Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: North Dakota Points: 601	Post Options Post Reply Quote Spud Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Dec 2009 at 10:11pm
	Unfortunately, there is not a market for older tech tractors. The White tractor line is a prime example. The 6 speed with over/direct/under had been around since the 50s or 60s. They were simple and reliable. But no one would buy them. Imagine having to clutch to change gears! I think it would be good to see old designs come back but don't think it will ever happen. I doubt AC Energy would get into the industry again either. As a point of curiosity, I worked with an AC crew a couple years ago. They were pumping cryogenic nitrogen while we were drilling gas storage wells with coiled tubing. It was a surprise to see a blue and white truck pull on location with the AC logo on the door!