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Fred in Pa 
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Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 10:19am |
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caRon
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Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 11:34am |
Fred, looks like a nice reproduction. I've always been curious about these tanks because it was an option in my ca manual. Any pics out there of a CA or any other model with starter tank? Ron
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R Aiken
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Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 11:35am |
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That is purty. The tank on my 41 C , looks as good in the hood, but it was rusted so bad I cut off the bottom half.
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R.W
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Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 11:36am |
Whats a starter tank for?
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In Search Of: 1958 Allis Chalmers D17 Diesel serial #9643D
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Fred in Pa
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Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 11:40am |
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The starter !!! LOL !!! If you got a all fuel or kero set up on your trator this was the tank that your gas went in for starting the cold engine that was not up to operating temp.
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R Aiken
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Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 11:44am |
 R.W wrote:
Whats a starter tank for?
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It is to start a tractor on gas to warm up and then switch to keorsine, or lower priced distilent, yesar ago.
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R.W
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Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 11:45am |
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Ok thats what I was thinking. lol
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In Search Of: 1958 Allis Chalmers D17 Diesel serial #9643D
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caRon
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Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 11:52am |
What engine differences were on a fuel/kero tractor? carburetion, compression? or nothing at all, just get to operating temp and switch over? Ron
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Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 12:31pm |
My understanding was that glow plugs were not around and to get the tractor to fire up in the cold was hard to do. So you started on a higher octane fuel and when up to operating temperature it would run fine on the other fuels.
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Ed in TX
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Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 12:51pm |
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I think the kerosene/distillate tractor used a different manifold to preheat the mixture. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. I have a dual fuel B but I don't think I have the right manifold to run both fuels. Other than that I'd also like to know if there was any internal changes to the engine.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 2:57pm |
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Lower compression
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everett048
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Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 2:58pm |
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Also different jets and venturi in carb.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 3:26pm |
everett048 wrote:
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Why would it be lower compression? I would think it would have to be higher compression as kero is closer to diesel then it is to gasoline. If your running on kerosene the enigine would be using compression ignition instead of spark.
From what I understand the dual fuel tractors have a exaust manifold that heats the fuel. Now when you heat kerosene you lower its flash point so maybe its not running on comperssion ignition?
On the other hand I could see why they would've lowered the compression ratio as I think that kerosene has more energy then gas and that power may have reaked havoc on the bottem end.
I would like to know the answer as my WC is a dual fuel.
Edited by chllngr528 - 03 Apr 2011 at 3:54pm
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Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 4:09pm |
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Dad had a duel fuel It had starter tank and baffle in exhaust raifdator shuter and pet cock on side of oil pan. Start up close shutter and start on gas when hot stift over from gas to kersene open shutter enough to keep heat up. End of day open pet cock drain 1 qt of oil to get rid of blow by and add 1qt. Less power on kersene He knocked out baffle in exhaust run on gas had more power didn,t have to add extry oil . Was not enough difference in fuel price to pay to use kersene and run cool and didn,t use shutter.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 4:13pm |
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PS It was a WC 1942 on steel no starter or lights , just a mag and crank.
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norm[ind]
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Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 4:42pm |
people were a lot mre cost conscience back then kero was lot cheaper than petro not a noticeable difference in power we bought man5 semi loaDS OF TRACTORS FROM FLA. 1960 MODELS TOO was told the reason for them was the hired help would help them selves to fuel for their trucks in the back of plantations too they would not do that with kerosene another reason you fellas are onlytalking about your area[huh]
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Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 7:05pm |
This information is from my WD 45 service manual.
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Chalmersbob
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Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 9:18pm |
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I always thought that the dual-fuel WD45 was only LP and Gas. The book stated that if you ran out of one you could run on the other fuel. Bob
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Posted: 04 Apr 2011 at 2:07pm |
We have offered these starter tanks for a couple years. We have them available on our website at www.normsactractors.com or you may call me at 1-815-238-4506.
Norm
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Posted: 04 Apr 2011 at 2:28pm |
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I bought a manifold at a swap once that had the angle on the right hand side of the exhaust like the one pictured on the left. This is the first time I've seen anything like it. Looks like the aircleaner with the snout coming out like that was the reason for it. Is this how WD45 air cleaners were made? The manifold I have has the standard out the side cover as for an unstyled WC.
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Dave in PA
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Posted: 04 Apr 2011 at 3:50pm |
Fred, sorry I have to ask you a question? If the "starter tank" is to start the starter, then does Steve at B&B sell the wiring harness/fittings for this??
You guys always have the correct answers??? LOL
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Posted: 05 Apr 2011 at 12:04pm |
It's sad that so many younger collectors do not understand dual fuel, kerosene, tractor fuel or tvo tractor engines. By the way, I explain the difference between flash point and octane number and their relevance to compression ratio in my reply to another post entitled "dual fuel tractors". All my tractors are TVO fuelled machines - you can keep those diesels!
Tricky Dickie
Edited by Tricky Dickie - 05 Apr 2011 at 12:06pm
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