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How many Pre 1920 tractor still out there

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    Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 8:18am
This is My model 18-30 ,year 1919 withch I have everything to restore except having  the sheet metal done.
Larry Swenson and I where talking one day and like he said there are VERY FEW Pre 1920 tractor's that are knowen of .How many do you know of We know Dave and Mark have the oldest.
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Not very many. But I dont  think there is near the interest in the old ones, As the collecters get younger,the interest gets closer to what they drove when they were kids. The people that were kids in 1920 are about all gone. How many tractors did AC make before 1920?
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In one way you are correct on interest of older ones to younger generation ,BUT you would be surprized of the collectors that have BIG INTEREST in the old ones .AS SO MANY WORRY ABOUT THE DEATH OF  AC THEY FOR GET WHERE  AC STARTED.
Some like Red Heads ,some like Blondes and some do not like them at all .
Up through 1919    303 ,  6-12's built
                            71 ,     10-18
                           160,      15-30 & 18 -30's
                         
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I guess I don't know of any.  
Another thing that probably contributes to the "younger" generation not being as interested in these old ones (not me, I'd love to have a really old one some day, even if it were a late 20's one) is simply the cost of them.  They are rare so they are expensive, as are the parts to fix them.  You can buy a LOT of B's, C's, WC's, WD's, WD45's, etc... for the cost of one of the old beauties.
I'm interested in finding out how many are still around.
At least lately here on the forum, even the newer-older ones are scarce (A's, U's, etc...) it seems, I wonder how many of them are even still around?  


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Fred where did you get that 18-30 from
I'd like to get one also I'm looking for a 20-35
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Joe ,Longfender 20-35 through 1926 or 1927 and up short fender ?
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My 18-30 came out of Mn.  .I think Doug Rote got it from N or SD.
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Freddie, there are 9  6-12's regestered on this site all are 1920 or older. I noticed the Jack Gustfason's is't on the list.
I got to parade with Jack and Norm Mienart in Florida.
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 It came from a little town north of Devils Lake North Dakota named Munich. Not far from the Canadian boarder. Can you even date the 6-12s or 10-18s by serial # because of missing Allis Chalmers records ???????
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   There are no serial number records for the 10-18 or 6-12. The 6-12's can be dated somewhat from the fact that Serial Number 10633 was tested at Nebraska. 6-12 Number 10010 belonging to Tom Watson is the oldest known 6-12.
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RFDEERE are you saying that C.H.Wendel had a dream and put this in his book.
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   Fred, I don't understand what your referring towards ? That chart only states how many 6-12's were built from 1919-1926, and is incomplete because no numbers for 1918 seem to exist.
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Just let us know if you find anything.

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I guess I wouldn't go for the old ones (being younger) because I don't know anybody familiar with them and if you were able to make a bunch of parts it would be easier but if it's pretty far gone, that's a lot of work to go through without much help. Not saying it can't be done but it's a little tougher than doing a CA or other model. I'd like to get a 30's unstyled spoke wheeled Deere but that's as old as I'll go. Personal preference I guess. I would love to get a real old tractor but that's a whole different ball game engineering and parts wise for me. 
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your right , age of person has alot to do with what you collect. when I first got into going too shows & collecting. I didn't consider D series or newer tractors collectable or antiques. They were like a kid in the candy store of new tractors. we never had anything that new.
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Fred, I assume you are just talking Allis tractors. There are a considerable number of other makes pre-1920, even in my shed, but anything Allis,  pre 1927 are pretty scarce!!
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Fred, its because you have more money then us young'ns!!!!!!!!!
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I don't think many of the tractors from the 20s and ba ck made it because they became outdated so fast and no one wanted to use them and may did not have resorces or know how to repair them.  That said, I have seen quite a few old internationals and deeres from that time but far fewer ACs
 
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Gordan Wickland out of Stanwood WA. area has a restored 6-12 that is 1919. He had it at the GOTO in Tulare CA. in 2008.
 
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We have a 6-12 and own an Aultman Taylor 30-60 with another family.  Both Are 1919
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 Have any 10-18's survived?
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Originally posted by MikeB (SD) MikeB (SD) wrote:

 Have any 10-18's survived?
 
   Yes, there are I think 11 10-18's known to exist. 
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   This is a good site for the older tractors:
  
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Originally posted by Dale-OH Dale-OH wrote:

We have a 6-12 and own an Aultman Taylor 30-60 with another family.  Both Are 1919
 
   Hello Dale, is yours serial # 10032 ? Thanks.
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Some day I would like to own earlier allis tractor. But being born in 1975  I see an lot of interest in the newer tractors i.e D series and number series. with people around my age. mosted of my friends think Iam nuts for buying up the older trators. They think if they can't go to the dealer or Steiner to get the parts it's too much work. Myself I like the thrill of the hunt. thxchuck
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Originally posted by tractorchuckie tractorchuckie wrote:

. They think if they can't go to the dealer or Steiner to get the parts it's too much work. Myself I like the thrill of the hunt. thxchuck


I like that!!! It makes it all the better when you do find the part.
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What year was #10633 model 6-12 tested?  Is this how you guys are dating these 6-12s or how? Just wondering.

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   6-12 #10633 was tested August 17-26, 1920
 
  Norm Swinford's AC Farm Equipment book states that 6-12 serial numbers apparantly started at 10001  
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There are a number of pre-1920 tractors around in collectors' hands, but AC machines from that time are very hard to find, certainly over here in the UK. I have some older stuff of other makes, but my earliest Allis-Chalmers is a 20-35 from 1929! As for the interest in early tractors, I think that we all start off with a machine which we remember from our youth, but as we get older, so our interest in older tractors grows. For me, it's anything which was designed to run on kerosene/tractor fuel - diesel just doesn't do it for me. I am equally interested in steel wheeled tractors and those on rubber, as long as they run on kerosene. I know that pre-1930's tractors have become expensive, but that's a reflection of the genuine and growing interest among collectors in these pieces of history. At our show at Newby Hall, we always have a big turnout of pre-1930's stuff and it is these which attract the crowds! We are all different and that's what keeps the old tractor movement so alive and vigourous. Mark my words - those of you who start with a 1950's diesel tractor as a young enthusiast will one day be trying to track down an 18-30 like Fred's. You read it first here!!
 
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Our 6-12 is #10146.
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