How many Pre 1920 tractor still out there
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Topic: How many Pre 1920 tractor still out there
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Subject: How many Pre 1920 tractor still out there
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 8:18am
This is My model 18-30 ,year 1919 withch I have everything to restore except having the sheet metal done.
Larry Swenson and I where talking one day and like he said there are VERY FEW Pre 1920 tractor's that are knowen of .How many do you know of We know Dave and Mark have the oldest.
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Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 9:12am
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Not very many. But I dont think there is near the interest in the old ones, As the collecters get younger,the interest gets closer to what they drove when they were kids. The people that were kids in 1920 are about all gone. How many tractors did AC make before 1920?
IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 9:28am
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In one way you are correct on interest of older ones to younger generation ,BUT you would be surprized of the collectors that have BIG INTEREST in the old ones .AS SO MANY WORRY ABOUT THE DEATH OF AC THEY FOR GET WHERE AC STARTED.
Some like Red Heads ,some like Blondes and some do not like them at all .
Up through 1919 303 , 6-12's built
71 , 10-18
160, 15-30 & 18 -30's
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Posted By: Jacob (WI,ND)
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 10:15am
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I guess I don't know of any. Another thing that probably contributes to the "younger" generation not being as interested in these old ones (not me, I'd love to have a really old one some day, even if it were a late 20's one) is simply the cost of them. They are rare so they are expensive, as are the parts to fix them. You can buy a LOT of B's, C's, WC's, WD's, WD45's, etc... for the cost of one of the old beauties. I'm interested in finding out how many are still around. At least lately here on the forum, even the newer-older ones are scarce (A's, U's, etc...) it seems, I wonder how many of them are even still around?
------------- Jacob Swanson 1920 6-12; 1925,1926 20-35 longfenders; 1925,1926 15-25's; 1927,1929 20-35 shortfenders; C; B's; IB; WC's; WD; WD45 |
Posted By: Joe Graunke
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 10:18am
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Fred where did you get that 18-30 from
I'd like to get one also I'm looking for a 20-35
Joe
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Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 10:33am
| Joe ,Longfender 20-35 through 1926 or 1927 and up short fender ? |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 10:35am
| My 18-30 came out of Mn. .I think Doug Rote got it from N or SD. |
Posted By: dave63
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 12:40pm
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Freddie, there are 9 6-12's regestered on this site all are 1920 or older. I noticed the Jack Gustfason's is't on the list.
I got to parade with Jack and Norm Mienart in Florida.
Great show. ------------- The universal answer to all questions is yes, how much do you want to spend? |
Posted By: Doug R MN
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 1:56pm
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It came from a little town north of Devils Lake North Dakota named Munich. Not far from the Canadian boarder. Can you even date the 6-12s or 10-18s by serial # because of missing Allis Chalmers records ??????? ------------- Doug |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 3:02pm
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There are no serial number records for the 10-18 or 6-12. The 6-12's can be dated somewhat from the fact that Serial Number 10633 was tested at Nebraska. 6-12 Number 10010 belonging to Tom Watson is the oldest known 6-12. ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 4:10pm
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RFDEERE are you saying that C.H.Wendel had a dream and put this in his book.
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Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 5:17pm
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Fred, I don't understand what your referring towards ? That chart only states how many 6-12's were built from 1919-1926, and is incomplete because no numbers for 1918 seem to exist. ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 5:28pm
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Just let us know if you find anything. |
Posted By: Reeseholler
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 7:58pm
| I guess I wouldn't go for the old ones (being younger) because I don't know anybody familiar with them and if you were able to make a bunch of parts it would be easier but if it's pretty far gone, that's a lot of work to go through without much help. Not saying it can't be done but it's a little tougher than doing a CA or other model. I'd like to get a 30's unstyled spoke wheeled Deere but that's as old as I'll go. Personal preference I guess. I would love to get a real old tractor but that's a whole different ball game engineering and parts wise for me. |
Posted By: 1946WP
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 8:35pm
| your right , age of person has alot to do with what you collect. when I first got into going too shows & collecting. I didn't consider D series or newer tractors collectable or antiques. They were like a kid in the candy store of new tractors. we never had anything that new. |
Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 8:43pm
| Fred, I assume you are just talking Allis tractors. There are a considerable number of other makes pre-1920, even in my shed, but anything Allis, pre 1927 are pretty scarce!! |
Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 10:59pm
| Fred, its because you have more money then us young'ns!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: Denis in MI
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 11:20pm
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I don't think many of the tractors from the 20s and ba ck made it because they became outdated so fast and no one wanted to use them and may did not have resorces or know how to repair them. That said, I have seen quite a few old internationals and deeres from that time but far fewer ACs
here is a video a friend of mine posted on youtube of his 1911 IHC Titan, I know it is not orange but it is still pretty neat considering it is 100 years old.
[TUBE]JNjcroKQor4[/TUBE] ------------- 1938 B, 1945 B, 1941 IB, 1949 C, 2 1938 WCs, 3 1950 WDs, 1951 WD, 2 1955 WD45, 1957 D-14 |
Posted By: DarrylinWA
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 11:39pm
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Gordan Wickland out of Stanwood WA. area has a restored 6-12 that is 1919. He had it at the GOTO in Tulare CA. in 2008.
Take care, Darryl ------------- B 10 Custom. Serial # 1001 D21, First D21 built 69 #4498 and Last D 21 Built #4609. 1946 MM UTU. And 2000, 2005 Pete's. AC custom Hauling. |
Posted By: Dale-OH
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2011 at 2:34pm
| We have a 6-12 and own an Aultman Taylor 30-60 with another family. Both Are 1919 |
Posted By: MikeB (SD)
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2011 at 3:27pm
| Have any 10-18's survived? |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2011 at 3:58pm
Yes, there are I think 11 10-18's known to exist. ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
MikeB (SD) wrote:Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2011 at 4:01pm
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This is a good site for the older tractors:
http://www.steel-wheels.net/registerac.html - http://www.steel-wheels.net/registerac.html ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2011 at 4:07pm
Hello Dale, is yours serial # 10032 ? Thanks. ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: tractorchuckie
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2011 at 4:38pm
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Some day I would like to own earlier allis tractor. But being born in 1975 I see an lot of interest in the newer tractors i.e D series and number series. with people around my age. mosted of my friends think Iam nuts for buying up the older trators. They think if they can't go to the dealer or Steiner to get the parts it's too much work. Myself I like the thrill of the hunt. thxchuck ------------- still looking for the holy grail of Allis |
Posted By: AllisChalmers37
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2011 at 5:34pm
I like that!!! It makes it all the better when you do find the part. ------------- 1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500 |
Posted By: Doug R MN
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2011 at 11:15pm
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What year was #10633 model 6-12 tested? Is this how you guys are dating these 6-12s or how? Just wondering. ------------- Doug |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2011 at 1:02am
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6-12 #10633 was tested August 17-26, 1920
Norm Swinford's AC Farm Equipment book states that 6-12 serial numbers apparantly started at 10001 ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: Tricky Dickie
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2011 at 4:25am
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There are a number of pre-1920 tractors around in collectors' hands, but AC machines from that time are very hard to find, certainly over here in the UK. I have some older stuff of other makes, but my earliest Allis-Chalmers is a 20-35 from 1929! As for the interest in early tractors, I think that we all start off with a machine which we remember from our youth, but as we get older, so our interest in older tractors grows. For me, it's anything which was designed to run on kerosene/tractor fuel - diesel just doesn't do it for me. I am equally interested in steel wheeled tractors and those on rubber, as long as they run on kerosene. I know that pre-1930's tractors have become expensive, but that's a reflection of the genuine and growing interest among collectors in these pieces of history. At our show at Newby Hall, we always have a big turnout of pre-1930's stuff and it is these which attract the crowds! We are all different and that's what keeps the old tractor movement so alive and vigourous. Mark my words - those of you who start with a 1950's diesel tractor as a young enthusiast will one day be trying to track down an 18-30 like Fred's. You read it first here!!
Tricky Dickie
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Posted By: Dale-OH
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2011 at 7:34am
| Our 6-12 is #10146. |
Posted By: Dale-OH
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2011 at 7:35am
| Should have put that the GOTO in Plain City OH next year is featuring the Green Tractors. But as always all are welcome, the local show has challenged us to 703 pieces. The national Oliver show had 702 |
Posted By: wkpoor
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2011 at 8:24am
| A friend of mine is restoring a 1923 spoker D for a dentist. It is JD serial #1. Currently valued at 75,000.00. An unrestored one just sold here couple of days ago for 37,000.00. There is interest all right, just have to be in the right circles. |
Posted By: Dale H. ECIL
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2011 at 9:07am
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My 10-18 is serial # 1570 and my 6-12 is # 10320.
------------- Allis Chalmers Museum, Paris, Il.http:// www.allischalmersmuseum.com 217-275-3428 |
Posted By: Tricky Dickie
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 6:47am
| There certainly is very strong interest in the older stuff - it's the more common 1950's tractors which are dragging a bit in the UK at present, but even a good example of one of those will make money at the right sale! Tricky Dicky |