no till corn planter ?

looking to buy 4 row no till planter.
Needs to adjust planting width 30" to 38"

using JD 494 now but seed shoe often gets rock or sod stuck in front of it and completely plows out the seed bed. we have LOTS of rocks.

looking for Allis or other no till planter.

1'st question:
will no till work in plowed ground ? "as an option"
if needed.

#2
is there a down fall using airplanter as aposed to gravity seed drop ?
FYI: I am looking at older equipment so repairs/maintenance is a consideration.

#3
which planter should I look to buy ?
Allis
white/oliver
international
ETC.
?????

#4
Which planter should I stay away from ?


FYI; Hobby farming..

THANKS IN ADVANCE

Grandpa's farm has been neglected till we moved back here 2 years ago.

Main purpose is for deer food plots and to reclaim hay ground that has been neglected for 30 years.

Love turning over ground with mold board plow. But not necessary after 1st plowing.

planting heirloom corn at the moment.
plan to plant beans at some point too.

my current seed expences is:
planting expences and harvesting expences....

not interested In liquid firtilizer.
vacuum planting? or
is that the same as air pressure planting ?

I run all Allis Chalmers tractors but have found much knowledge on this site on farming techniques and other farm equipment
"good and bad"

share your knowledge please.

thanks in advance

In my opinion- I would not deal with a planter- if your not gonna use a combine, rough up the ground , and just broadcast it,, drag it with a cedar tree and hope it rains,, 

John Deere thought so much of there planters that they scratched to whole design in 2014!

Well, I’m a fan of AC no-till planters. A 300 specifically, a 2 row version. Not sure of 4 row model number but they are good planters. Actually planted corn today for a corn maze for my buddy. Don’t know anything about a Deere or other brands but I
the AC no-till is a good one.

Edited by AC720Man - 28 Jun 2023 at 9:42pm

nice

I couldn't use my Allis planter this spring. borrowed a 800 IH air planter, I knew nothing about it and it shows. very bad planting job done. it skipped alot in the rows and some rows didn't plant and they were not the same rows every time. the blank rows are now growing after 1 month in the field. I used to have an IH #56 planter that was a good one, i've owned about every brand around and my Allis planter would always do thye best job. deere copied Olivers planters made back in the 60's. Oliver did have a good planter too, one all deere farm locally tried out a DA planter when they came out, and ended up buying it, said it planted so much better than their deere planter, they used it for many years, and others seeing what they were using also bought the DA planters. I keep looking for any Allis planters near me for sale or on auctions, they are simple and work well. yes...no til planters will work in plowing, but if you want a smooth seed bed, wellyou know what to do for that.     

shameless dude wrote: I was just looking on BIG IRON auction (todays auction) and there is an 8-row Allis planter on it, 3-pt mount, on a tool bar, that would be adjustable to about any spacing you want. right now the bid is at $135.00

Had a 13 row 19 inch bean planter once that was 2 point hitch.   Unless you have all perfectly straight fields mounted planters are not fun. They don’t do curves well.

Macon, for what you’re describing, yeah it’s not going to matter a whole lot. Unless you want to take some sort of pride and joy in a picket fence stand that all emerges within an hour of each other, who cares, the deer will eat it. That’s something I try to avoid! Lol

You can read volumes on who copied what when, if you want, but who really cares? The Kinze case is pretty entertaining stuff, and it’s cool that David slays Goliath once in a while. The funny part to me, is most people on here love the Kinze story so much because they hate Deere, Kinze didn’t get in trouble for copying Deere because Deere copied Oliver, who probably copied parts of many others on down the line. It’s how development works. I just think it’s ironic that Kinze is a hero for literally doing the same thing. Yes, I get it, he exposed Deere. So be it.

Truth is, if you want a planter that’s easy to get parts and service, get Deere, Kinze is basically a Blue Deere, White, or go on down the line or go collector shopping.

Shameless knows probably the only guy in history who made that comparison and conclusion.

The older plate style stuff did “ok” for their time. You will play hell getting seed that’s sized and graded adequately for plates anymore. But again, you’re feeding deer, so…?

not sure how the saw mill photo got in there.







Edited by Macon Rounds - 29 Jun 2023 at 9:59am

yes...i'll be going back to the plate type planter as it still does a great job of planting. as for being able to get graded sized seed corn, i've had no problem from any seed companies getting it. 2 seed reps told me they still sell sized seed because there are still alot of that type planters being used, mostly in the east. they are alot less in numbers than before, but still alot of them out there. i useed an 8-row wide planter for years, was a 3-pt mounted planter, did a great job too, none of my fields are square. our past renters could plant curves with their planter but couldn't combine them, leaving corn on the ground every time. I don't need to plant 7-9 MPH. 4-5 works just fine for me.

shameless dude wrote: yes...i'll be going back to the plate type planter as it still does a great job of planting. as for being able to get graded sized seed corn, i've had no problem from any seed companies getting it. 2 seed reps told me they still sell sized seed because there are still alot of that type planters being used, mostly in the east. they are alot less in numbers than before, but still alot of them out there. i useed an 8-row wide planter for years, was a 3-pt mounted planter, did a great job too, none of my fields are square. our past renters could plant curves with their planter but couldn't combine them, leaving corn on the ground every time. I don't need to plant 7-9 MPH. 4-5 works just fine for me.

You said that once before and I asked you for details and you didn’t provide any. I tried 4 seed companies and have had very limited luck. Yes, they tell you the weight per unit, but don’t put a plate size on the bag like they used to. You can reference weight to plate number, graded round or flat, sometimes with decent results, other times grab a random handful of seed and lay the plate in there and you will see the problem. Had two of the four seed companies promise it would be fine and it was far from it. You’ll get doubles and even triples. Don’t act like I don’t have a clue on this, I’ve fought the battle 6 years. I got good at it. Medium weight FLAT seeds will give the most consistent results.

This year? Put the corn disc in, set the gears, had perfect population and picket fence stand, even with two size seeds in the same box. Hallelujah!

But what do I know?

Edited by Tbone95 - 29 Jun 2023 at 7:34pm

iam gonna have to take notes when I re-read this.

thanks fellas !!!!