no till corn planter ?
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Topic: no till corn planter ?
Posted By: Macon Rounds
Subject: no till corn planter ?
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2023 at 1:50pm
looking to buy 4 row no till planter. Needs to adjust planting width 30" to 38"
using JD 494 now but seed shoe often gets rock or sod stuck in front of it and completely plows out the seed bed. we have LOTS of rocks.
looking for Allis or other no till planter.
1'st question: will no till work in plowed ground ? "as an option" if needed.
#2 is there a down fall using airplanter as aposed to gravity seed drop ? FYI: I am looking at older equipment so repairs/maintenance is a consideration.
#3 which planter should I look to buy ? Allis white/oliver international ETC. ?????
#4 Which planter should I stay away from ?
FYI; Hobby farming..
THANKS IN ADVANCE
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2023 at 2:27pm
I’m assuming you’re planting corn?
People planting food plots ( living bait pile) around here have driven the price of 4 row planters way up.
You didn’t list Deere, and this is an Allis site, but Deere really is a good planter. If you want to do a good job, albeit a small one, of planting corn, upgrade your vintage to past the mechanical plate metering of the old Deere and Allis. Go to finger pickup. You can retrofit this to an old planter but it’s pricey, better off to just find one that way.
White makes a good planter too.
I guess we need a scope of what defines “hobby farm”, budget, work window, etc. I just upgraded from plates and dry fertilizer to vacuum and liquid and I think I died and went to heaven! Don’t know if they even made anything like that that small, but I have seen 6 row ones.
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Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2023 at 3:33pm
Grandpa's farm has been neglected till we moved back here 2 years ago.
Main purpose is for deer food plots and to reclaim hay ground that has been neglected for 30 years.
Love turning over ground with mold board plow. But not necessary after 1st plowing.
planting heirloom corn at the moment. plan to plant beans at some point too.
my current seed expences is: planting expences and harvesting expences....
not interested In liquid firtilizer. vacuum planting? or is that the same as air pressure planting ?
I run all Allis Chalmers tractors but have found much knowledge on this site on farming techniques and other farm equipment "good and bad"
share your knowledge please.
thanks in advance
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2023 at 6:38pm
Deere or a Kinze all the way. Local had a Duetz Allis planter our Deere had picket fence stands next door the DA had far from consistent spacing. Allis made good tractors but couldn’t hold a candle to Deere planting equipment. In my area doesn’t matter the color tractor pulling it it’s a Deere or Kinze planter.
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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2023 at 7:02pm
In my opinion- I would not deal with a planter- if your not gonna use a combine, rough up the ground , and just broadcast it,, drag it with a cedar tree and hope it rains,,
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Posted By: festus51
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2023 at 7:43pm
I'm a fan IH air planters . Has single point fill and single point seed clean out, three chains total. Very simple design very reliable.
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Posted By: tomNE
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2023 at 9:09pm
John Deere thought so much of there planters that they scratched to whole design in 2014!
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Posted By: ryan(IN)
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2023 at 9:32pm
I’d vote a white. 5100 or 6000 would do you well. As much as I like Allis. I would not own an Allis planter mainly because of parts availability
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Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2023 at 9:41pm
Well, I’m a fan of AC no-till planters. A 300 specifically, a 2 row version. Not sure of 4 row model number but they are good planters. Actually planted corn today for a corn maze for my buddy. Don’t know anything about a Deere or other brands but I the AC no-till is a good one.
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Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2023 at 10:37pm
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Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2023 at 10:48pm
nice
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Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2023 at 10:52pm
nice
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 1:31am
I couldn't use my Allis planter this spring. borrowed a 800 IH air planter, I knew nothing about it and it shows. very bad planting job done. it skipped alot in the rows and some rows didn't plant and they were not the same rows every time. the blank rows are now growing after 1 month in the field. I used to have an IH #56 planter that was a good one, i've owned about every brand around and my Allis planter would always do thye best job. deere copied Olivers planters made back in the 60's. Oliver did have a good planter too, one all deere farm locally tried out a DA planter when they came out, and ended up buying it, said it planted so much better than their deere planter, they used it for many years, and others seeing what they were using also bought the DA planters. I keep looking for any Allis planters near me for sale or on auctions, they are simple and work well. yes...no til planters will work in plowing, but if you want a smooth seed bed, wellyou know what to do for that.
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 2:37am
I was just looking on BIG IRON auction (todays auction) and there is an 8-row Allis planter on it, 3-pt mount, on a tool bar, that would be adjustable to about any spacing you want. right now the bid is at $135.00
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 5:19am
shameless dude wrote:
I was just looking on BIG IRON auction (todays auction) and there is an 8-row Allis planter on it, 3-pt mount, on a tool bar, that would be adjustable to about any spacing you want. right now the bid is at $135.00 |
Had a 13 row 19 inch bean planter once that was 2 point hitch. Unless you have all perfectly straight fields mounted planters are not fun. They don’t do curves well.
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Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 5:43am
Best cheap no till planter built was the IH 800. I'd think a 4 wide could be slid in to narrow, but it'd be far more work than it's worth to do it a lot. AaronSEIA
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 6:01am
curious am I.. why the need for adjustable rows if you're just feeding deer ?
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Posted By: dr p
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 6:28am
I think for your goals, just making sure it is not beat to crap is mostly what matters. If you want ro improve your performance down the row, yetter makes a lot of attachments that can fit nearly any planter. Deer sre going to eat it even if the spacing isn't great
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Posted By: Kurzy
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 6:29am
Howdy Jay, I think I have a answer to your question. More Deer per row!
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Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 7:14am
jaybmiller wrote:
curious am I.. why the need for adjustable rows if you're just feeding deer ?
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Well, if you're after the big bucks you might want to have wider rows!
To be serious to your question.
When my farm was enrolled in the CRP one of the changes was to divide field in thirds with a 30 foot wide strip and plant food plots on these 30 foot wide strips, planting half of width, rotating to a 15 feet wide , not to exceed 10 Acres total. The reason for thirds is for control burn, chemical burn. Clear?
So a 6/30 row puts in a 15 foot. A 2 row will put in a 1-1/2 round for the 15 foot width. I rotated milo, soybeans, wheat.
I used a AC No-Til 2 row set on 30 inch planter.
I had three fields and could go field without a lot of back tracking.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 7:47am
Macon, for what you’re describing, yeah it’s not going to matter a whole lot. Unless you want to take some sort of pride and joy in a picket fence stand that all emerges within an hour of each other, who cares, the deer will eat it. That’s something I try to avoid! Lol
You can read volumes on who copied what when, if you want, but who really cares? The Kinze case is pretty entertaining stuff, and it’s cool that David slays Goliath once in a while. The funny part to me, is most people on here love the Kinze story so much because they hate Deere, Kinze didn’t get in trouble for copying Deere because Deere copied Oliver, who probably copied parts of many others on down the line. It’s how development works. I just think it’s ironic that Kinze is a hero for literally doing the same thing. Yes, I get it, he exposed Deere. So be it.
Truth is, if you want a planter that’s easy to get parts and service, get Deere, Kinze is basically a Blue Deere, White, or go on down the line or go collector shopping.
Shameless knows probably the only guy in history who made that comparison and conclusion.
The older plate style stuff did “ok” for their time. You will play hell getting seed that’s sized and graded adequately for plates anymore. But again, you’re feeding deer, so…?
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Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 9:33am
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Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 9:51am
not sure how the saw mill photo got in there.
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Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 10:05am
mabe even this
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 4:29pm
yes...i'll be going back to the plate type planter as it still does a great job of planting. as for being able to get graded sized seed corn, i've had no problem from any seed companies getting it. 2 seed reps told me they still sell sized seed because there are still alot of that type planters being used, mostly in the east. they are alot less in numbers than before, but still alot of them out there. i useed an 8-row wide planter for years, was a 3-pt mounted planter, did a great job too, none of my fields are square. our past renters could plant curves with their planter but couldn't combine them, leaving corn on the ground every time. I don't need to plant 7-9 MPH. 4-5 works just fine for me.
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Posted By: jvin248
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 6:29pm
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Three point smaller planters are great for tight spaces where you don't have a lot of turn around. Tow a hitch if you have space to waste -- but never back up ;)
Planting heirloom you'll need more pitch/seed spacing in a row. I could plant hybrid popcorn at 6.25in and works just fine (32k seeds/ac). Heirloom needs 8-12in (24k/ac) or you get silage corn. I grew Reid's Yellow Dent last year and had some reach 14ft high with an ear over 8ft high so they like elbow room. I thought corn that high might keep the deer puzzled, but they figured it out.
Plant blue/red heirloom corn for highest protein, can be five times more than modern hybrid/GMO corn. Yellow heirloom is in the middle. Important if you plan to grind for feed or cornbread. Deer can sort corn by protein level.
Sleigh shoes work great in fitted ground, but that's more effort. Keep crops or cover crops in the field after the first year of sod busting and you can notill.
Also searching for a notill setup, I didn't get one this year. I set my cultivator at 30in to strip till rows then followed in those cuts with my 30in shoe planter. Works alright. Possible to do in one pass by dragging the planter behind the cultivator. Or hook up two tractors so one can follow the other.
Get larger round plates to plant ungraded heirloom seed. Doubles can be pulled later.
Early to mid September, broadcast rye in the field and drag or disk it in lightly, 2-3bu/ac. Let it grow in the spring until as late as you can go as every week rye mass doubles (3rd week of May for me), plant the corn. When it emerges or up to V1, roll terminate the rye with a cultipacker (fancy folks use a roller crimper). Pollen stage is best but don't stress. Early spring oats are another alternative. Then you can grow corn without herbicide sprays. There's a farmer doing this on five thousand acres, so it's a good system. You can roll the rye earlier but when terminated flat on the ground it decomposes fast and you need the crop big enough to shade.
Larger mixes of cover crops, 8-12 species, can replace npk fertilizer with fertility, some this year some builds for next year.
Buckwheat and daikon radishes flower and bring in beneficial insects to avoid insecticide needs. Spiders as big as your thumb can eat a lot of pests.
Fields will look somewhat shaggy as you get the skills down, so make sure to mix sunflowers out there as neighbor comment deflectors. Some weeds help improve soil too.
Any inter-seeding summer covers and npk replacers target to sprout after the corn hits v6 so it's done counting ear rows.
This fall I'm adding alfalfa to my winter rye cover, but it needs earlier planting to survive the winter here.
That's my journey in the wilds of Regenerative Ag. I grew up in conventional tillage/chemicals corn and produce. Wish I knew some of this back when I was commercially growing pumpkins.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 7:33pm
shameless dude wrote:
yes...i'll be going back to the plate type planter as it still does a great job of planting. as for being able to get graded sized seed corn, i've had no problem from any seed companies getting it. 2 seed reps told me they still sell sized seed because there are still alot of that type planters being used, mostly in the east. they are alot less in numbers than before, but still alot of them out there. i useed an 8-row wide planter for years, was a 3-pt mounted planter, did a great job too, none of my fields are square. our past renters could plant curves with their planter but couldn't combine them, leaving corn on the ground every time. I don't need to plant 7-9 MPH. 4-5 works just fine for me.
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You said that once before and I asked you for details and you didn’t provide any. I tried 4 seed companies and have had very limited luck. Yes, they tell you the weight per unit, but don’t put a plate size on the bag like they used to. You can reference weight to plate number, graded round or flat, sometimes with decent results, other times grab a random handful of seed and lay the plate in there and you will see the problem. Had two of the four seed companies promise it would be fine and it was far from it. You’ll get doubles and even triples. Don’t act like I don’t have a clue on this, I’ve fought the battle 6 years. I got good at it. Medium weight FLAT seeds will give the most consistent results.
This year? Put the corn disc in, set the gears, had perfect population and picket fence stand, even with two size seeds in the same box. Hallelujah!
But what do I know?
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Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 8:19pm
I found that true yesterday also Tbone. Bag did not have that inf on it like I have seen in the past. Grabbed a handful of seed,, laid seed in the plate to make sure random seed fit well. Rotated the wheel and watched the corn hit the ground. Added more corn to allow plate to pick it up on its own, rotated again to make sure it was dropping correctly. Made a 10’ pass and checked each row for seed drop. I was satisfied with the results and continued to plant.
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Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 9:49pm
iam gonna have to take notes when I re-read this.
thanks fellas !!!!
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 10:03pm
i always check the seed with the plates, my bags this year showed I should use the B1 jd plate with the seed. said so right on the bag. you have to tell your seed rep what you want, not what they will just give you!
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Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 10:50pm
is this a recomend no till planter ?
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2023 at 7:28am
If you're gonna be around a few years I'd pay the piper and get a 7000 JD finger pick up. parts are readily available.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2023 at 7:46am
shameless dude wrote:
i always check the seed with the plates, my bags this year showed I should use the B1 jd plate with the seed. said so right on the bag. you have to tell your seed rep what you want, not what they will just give you! |
WHAT BRAND!?
You also said you did a terrible job planting, so….
Tell the seed rep, um, yes! But he doesn’t have much control over what they print on the bag.
I had pretty good luck with flat seed. Plate number was not on the bag, but with the weight, a couple of third party reference documents, and a careful test fit it was ok. Round seed is horribly varied in size from several seed companies where it used to work fine.
Now the headaches are officially over, and not going back. If given a choice I can’t understand why anyone would! But if good enough is good enough for you, by all means enjoy yourself.
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Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2023 at 8:03am
I am using heirloom corn that I'll be harvesting and replanting....
I didn't even realize there were different corn plates ?
I did do a seed test thru each seed box last year, just to confirm functionality.
I belive it worked as it was designed because i didn't have any missed plants until the Crows got at it.
So this plate choice is another thing I need to look at when purchasing a planter.
I think I'll start a new thread on plate info .
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2023 at 11:04am
I’ve got a really nice and simple to follow reference sheet. I’m trying to remember the name. If I can’t remember the name I’ll try and remember to take a picture of it. I have a few other references also but this one works the easiest and best. Stay tuned!
There’s probably close to 25 different plates for the old JD’s I’m familiar with, but a nice assortment of a half dozen or so would get you by. There are 16 cell and 24 cell, one of the reasons there’s so many. So you have number of cells, flat or round type seed, then kernel size.
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Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2023 at 4:31pm
Not a bad old planter but not a notill. On plates I was able to get blank plates for my IH 56. I think it was from E&R seeds in Indiana. A Mennonite outfit that has a lot of info on heirloom varieties in their catalog. And they sell in bulk quantities. I have my eye on a snap coupler two row but plates have got me a little worried.
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2023 at 8:48pm
o-k...I planted Northrup King corn this year, used a borrowed IH 800 6-30 tht I knew nothing about on it's operation, still not sure what happened nor does the planters owner know, all the corn did eventually come up, some a month later than the rest. but it's all growing good now. the blank looking rows were not the same thru the fields, when out checking while planting, I was alwys able to find the seeds, must have been lucky picking the right rows to check. the seed rep does have a say in what seed size is needed for any customer, and the company will send it to the warehouse for pickup from the customer. i've always done this, with Dekalb, Golden Harvest, Fontenelle, Northrup King, Pioneer, and a basket of other companies. only reason the seed companies went to the bulk systems is that the big farmers wanted something to make re-filling faster, thus came the expensive new planters, and the big bogged or big boxed seed containers, but now you have to have the support equipment to go along with that. most of the new planters hold about $200,000. in seed on one fill. they hafta have something to convey or lift the seed bags/boxes up to the planter tank(s). then the green company won't put th big hyd's on their smaller tractors that are more than able to pull the planters, but if you buy the BIGBER tractor, then the bigger hyd's are on them. those planters are over $250,000. and so are the tractors needed to pull the planter. then you have the seed trailer, another $25,000. just like the old plate planters, they will be used a few years and then put on consignment sales for the small farmers to buy, then they will hafta buy the 4x4 tractors to pull the planters. it's all a vicious circle. the old plate planters plant the same seed as the fancy screw the farmers planters do. but they don't have to have electric motors, air compressors, 30-40 hyd hoses, a computer, electric eyes, 8 or more tires, and many other things that the new big planters have. i'm sure I have not covered everything that the Bone can think of to ask. I've never been afraid to experiment with things, some things worked and some did not. If someone asks about something i've done and it worked or failed, I can truthfully comment on it.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2023 at 8:56pm
You don’t comprehend very well.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2023 at 9:00pm
Your results with the IH Cyclo sound about like what the neighbor gets year after year.
Macon, just listen to shameless. I’m out.
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Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2023 at 9:49pm
Thanks Fellas....
Advice is always appreciated !!!
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2023 at 10:01pm
shameless dude wrote:
o-k...I planted Northrup King corn this year, used a borrowed IH 800 6-30 tht I knew nothing about on it's operation, still not sure what happened nor does the planters owner know, all the corn did eventually come up, some a month later than the rest. but it's all growing good now. the blank looking rows were not the same thru the fields, when out checking while planting, I was alwys able to find the seeds, must have been lucky picking the right rows to check. the seed rep does have a say in what seed size is needed for any customer, and the company will send it to the warehouse for pickup from the customer. i've always done this, with Dekalb, Golden Harvest, Fontenelle, Northrup King, Pioneer, and a basket of other companies. only reason the seed companies went to the bulk systems is that the big farmers wanted something to make re-filling faster, thus came the expensive new planters, and the big bogged or big boxed seed containers, but now you have to have the support equipment to go along with that. most of the new planters hold about $200,000. in seed on one fill. they hafta have something to convey or lift the seed bags/boxes up to the planter tank(s). then the green company won't put th big hyd's on their smaller tractors that are more than able to pull the planters, but if you buy the BIGBER tractor, then the bigger hyd's are on them. those planters are over $250,000. and so are the tractors needed to pull the planter. then you have the seed trailer, another $25,000. just like the old plate planters, they will be used a few years and then put on consignment sales for the small farmers to buy, then they will hafta buy the 4x4 tractors to pull the planters. it's all a vicious circle. the old plate planters plant the same seed as the fancy screw the farmers planters do. but they don't have to have electric motors, air compressors, 30-40 hyd hoses, a computer, electric eyes, 8 or more tires, and many other things that the new big planters have. i'm sure I have not covered everything that the Bone can think of to ask. I've never been afraid to experiment with things, some things worked and some did not. If someone asks about something i've done and it worked or failed, I can truthfully comment on it. |
Don’t you think if plate planter were so great wouldn’t Deere, Kinze or CIH still offer one?
Run a somewhat modern vac Deere you can dump flats in one hopper and rounds in another and without switching anything it will give you a picket fence stand of each. We plant 6-8 corn varieties each year plus a corn and bean plot never switch anything other than down pressure going from worked to no till. My 40 foot Kinze bean planter needs a whooping 2 sets of remotes. It has a brain box that acts as a Fasse splitter. The control box is smaller than a cigar box. Being able to plant basically any seed size opens up lots of opportunities. If you run a finger pickup planter that opens up the option of brush meters then you can count out bean seeds instead controlled spill. Another bonus to the finger pickup design is in the past we cleaned out seed corn and put in winter processing squash one year and for a few years planted sunflowers with it. Aftermarket kits are available to plant cereal grain with the Kinze brush meters.
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Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2023 at 11:41pm
Not wanting to spend more than $1500.
I don't farm for a living. But thanks for the info.
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Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2023 at 8:30am
We had a CaseIH 900 for a couple of years, seed to soil contact was great, spacing not so much. The IH planter, was the original central fill, but trying to push that seed through those long tubes, and still keep the spacing, just didn't work. After a couple of years, went back to a White.
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Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2023 at 10:06am
Cyclo's don't have plates. They have a drum. Just about any type planter you care to mention has staunch advocates. Mainly because they took the time to really study them and how to use them.
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Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2023 at 1:29pm
Posted By: Northern Hoser
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2023 at 3:29pm
I was in a similar position looking for a 6rw corn planter; wanted a JD plate, nearly pulled the trigger on a good shape Allis and ended up with a 800 Cyclo air.
Never planted corn myself with it till this spring, planted 80ac.
I spent a lot of time pulling the machine apart, repairing it and researching it before went to the field and was still humbled by it. Really know the machine and it's operation inside and out before launch is my advice regardless of the brand
My stand looks good now, not real even spacing but I know I can improve on it; a smoother seed bed and more downpressure I believe, I'll know next year lol
Cyclo seed monitor was a big help, mostly for peace of mind and caught a few plugs, just a simple blockage monitor something to consider.
Matt
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Posted By: jvin248
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2023 at 8:28pm
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You may get graded seed the first time around, but when planting your own seed back you'll have all sizes.
When you save ears for seed this fall, and the seed guys seem to store full ears not shelled until spring, shell the ends off separate from the main bulk of seeds. Give the end kernels to the chickens etc. The ends have all the jagged shaped round kernels, the main center kernels are more uniform.
Some old hand-crank ear shellers have a special socket to take off the scrabbly ends first before shelling the main part of the ear into the seed bin.
The failings of the old planters are not the plates, it's the elf shoe runners under them instead of no till disks. I mostly solved mine with tilling strips ahead of the planter.
I saw one guy get good corn results in fitted ground with a wheat drill by closing off certain rows.
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Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2023 at 9:49pm
Good advice on the ear corn to get more uniform curnels.
The corn I am using has been handed down locally by "ar least" 2 generations of dairy farmers.... The wife was in her 90's when she stopped milking.
so I guess this corn might have come over on the Mayflower... 😀
Might I ask how you till in front of the runners of the traditional corn planter ?
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Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2023 at 10:14am
shameless dude wrote:
o-k...I planted Northrup King corn this year, used a borrowed IH 800 6-30 tht I knew nothing about on it's operation, still not sure what happened nor does the planters owner know, all the corn did eventually come up, some a month later than the rest. but it's all growing good now. the blank looking rows were not the same thru the fields, when out checking while planting, I was alwys able to find the seeds, must have been lucky picking the right rows to check. the seed rep does have a say in what seed size is needed for any customer, and the company will send it to the warehouse for pickup from the customer. i've always done this, with Dekalb, Golden Harvest, Fontenelle, Northrup King, Pioneer, and a basket of other companies. only reason the seed companies went to the bulk systems is that the big farmers wanted something to make re-filling faster, thus came the expensive new planters, and the big bogged or big boxed seed containers, but now you have to have the support equipment to go along with that. most of the new planters hold about $200,000. in seed on one fill. they hafta have something to convey or lift the seed bags/boxes up to the planter tank(s). then the green company won't put th big hyd's on their smaller tractors that are more than able to pull the planters, but if you buy the BIGBER tractor, then the bigger hyd's are on them. those planters are over $250,000. and so are the tractors needed to pull the planter. then you have the seed trailer, another $25,000. just like the old plate planters, they will be used a few years and then put on consignment sales for the small farmers to buy, then they will hafta buy the 4x4 tractors to pull the planters. it's all a vicious circle. the old plate planters plant the same seed as the fancy screw the farmers planters do. but they don't have to have electric motors, air compressors, 30-40 hyd hoses, a computer, electric eyes, 8 or more tires, and many other things that the new big planters have. i'm sure I have not covered everything that the Bone can think of to ask. I've never been afraid to experiment with things, some things worked and some did not. If someone asks about something i've done and it worked or failed, I can truthfully comment on it. |
You know Shameless, you can still buy a new Deere 6/30 w/liquid fertilizer, seed boxes, finger pickup's, and direct drive. While expensive, it is way under $250,000, and only needs a tractor with enough hydraulics to raise and lower the planter.
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