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    Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 2:24pm
Here are a couple of pictures that I made last saturday on the Dutch Allis-Chalmers day / event. As you well know, this event will be held once in the 5 years, organised by Bert Schoo and his family. It was again a great day with more tractors than the event before in 2005.
 
 
On friday evening we loaded our tractors and implements on the truck.
 
 
 
 
 
Saturdaymorning on 7:30PM we leave from our home.
 
 
 
What we saw from the road when we arrived.
 
 
My dad unloading his D17.
 
Another truck arrived with some AC's/
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Jan van der Wilt ( AllisJan) arrived with his WD and rotobaler.
 
 
Beautiful restored U Orchard.
 
 
 
ED40 and a FD5 from the van Roekel family.
 
 
 
Organiser Bert Schoo, dressed like he is the director of Allis Chalmers.
 
 
 
 
 
Inside the barn there was food and drink for sale and also some merchandise.
 
 
 
 
 
This is it for now, more photo's will be posted soon.
 
 
Hope you enjoy.
 
 
 
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Nice pics Johan, I'd like to put also some pics but don't know more how to do.
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Good looking equipment.  Good photos.  Thanks for posting.
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Zeer mooie foto's Johan, Ik wou dat we konden vinden die aardige van een collectie hier in de buurt.

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Looks like the ORANGE is alive and well in the "old country". That's what my Grandparents called Holland.  I'm proud of my AC stuff and my Dutch heritage too.
With the muddy conditions, I'm suprized not to see some folks with their woodenshoes on. I have a pair I bought in Holland, Michigan when we lived in South Holland, Illinois 50 years ago.
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Originally posted by Ken in Texas Ken in Texas wrote:

Looks like the ORANGE is alive and well in the "old country". That's what my Grandparents called Holland.  I'm proud of my AC stuff and my Dutch heritage too.
With the muddy conditions, I'm suprized not to see some folks with their woodenshoes on. I have a pair I bought in Holland, Michigan when we lived in South Holland, Illinois 50 years ago.
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Look what else we have over in Holland Michigan, Ken!

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Very nice show, and equipment!
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Thanks for the Great pictures.  AC folks are the same the world over....
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AWESOME pictures!!!!!

Thank you for sharing. Not only did I see some great tractors, I got to see a tiny slice of Europe too.

I had no idea that Allis had such a presence in your part of the world. I knew AC was there, but not to that extent.
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My Long family came from the Netherlands, so it makes this show even more wonderful to me. 
GREAT SHOW!!!
To all my Netherland Friends and perhaps ancestors.
Good Luck!!
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Thanks for all kind reply's. Soon I will post more pictures.
 
Clovis: Allis-Chalmers was sold new here till the beginning of the 60's to the dealers that we've had here. The importer at that time was Louis Reynders in Amsterdam. After that  there are some other companies who where the importer of A-C but it wasn't more successful. Tha last Allis-Chalmers tractor who sold new here in Netherlands where 7 units of the 7580 tractors. All the tractors send back to the USA or Canada when it was not succesfull here. The last 7580 was at this Allis-Chalmers show in 1995, a few years later it was back to the USA. Until the mid-year 1950 U.S. tractors are very modern and if you was a farmer could buy an American tractor, he had respect and status. Then came more European brands on rise, mostly from Germany but also English and French tractors. These were better and more modern for there time and were also cheaper as the Americans. That was the reason why most American tractors are no longer sold. Like Allis-Chalmers but also Oliver, Minneapolis, Massey-Harris and Farmall for example. Not all the A-C's you see here are original sold new here. Tractors who sold new here to farmers are models like the G, B, C and CA,  U, WC, WD and WD45 as also a some WD45 diesels and the European ED-40, B, D270 and D272 and FD3,4 and 5. 
 
Al the models as my 190XT, a 200, D21, Two-Twenty , D17 and D19 and all the other tractors from after the 60's are imported by collectors. As also some unstyled WC, U's ,WD45 and WD45diesels.
 
The onlyest American tractors that you can still buy new here are JD, Case IH, New-Holland and Massey's.


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Originally posted by allisjan allisjan wrote:

Nice pics Johan, I'd like to put also some pics but don't know more how to do.
 
I'll send you an email with the instructions. For us, it will be finer when I tell it you in Dutch ;-)
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Johan,

Very interesting!!!! I have learned a lot. Thank you for sharing!!!!

Of the tractors that were sold in the Netherlands into the 1960's, were many of them built in Europe? Did most of them come from the US?

Where do you find parts? Parts can be difficult to find here, and I cannot imagine having to find parts for an antique AC in the Netherlands.

What are the most common antique American tractors? Farmall?

BTW, what do you call your Allis event? I'd love to see how you spell it in Dutch too.

Thank you so much for bringing the Netherlands and Allis Chalmers into my living room!! Those pictures are great!!!! 
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We call it: 'Allis-Chalmers dag' what means nothing more then : Allis-Chalmers day.
 
The A-C's which where sold new are all American built and then shipped to the Netherlands just like they do today the same with cars for example. But some one where assembled in the U.K. We've had an original American U that sold new here in 1946 but was assembled in the U.K. Probaly at the factory in Essendine where also the English B, D270, D272 and the ED40 where made.
 
To find parts is increasingly difficult. Earlier you had several scrapyards and even with former dealers you could find parts. That's all gone now. Junkyards are also become more rare because of the stringent environmental requirements and the law. There are some company's who sell new or good parts for tractors but the imported all out of the USA. Or otherwise you must by you're own order parts in the USA.
 
The most common American tractors for collectors here are Farmall's ( H, M, MTA, 300 and 400 and also 706, 806, 856, 1456) and also a lot of John-Deere. Most of them are the A, B, D, at also 3020 and 4020. about 5 or 6 6030's are also here in the Netherlands. Also Ford is a populair tractor for tractor pulling. You see here a lot of Ford 9600's and 9000. Almost all prepared for tractorpulling. To find an original 9600 is hard.
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Johan,
What are the currant most popular tractors there?  Are AGCO products as popular as they claim they are?  How big, horsepower wise, are most farmers using.  When I lived in Germany 40 some years ago, most of the tractors in the hill county around Wildflicken were only 20 to 30 hp, not many with 4 wheel drive except Unimogs.  I imagine things have changed a lot since then.
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JohnCO:
 
Tractors from the Agco company you see here are MF, Fendt and Valtra. But not an Agco or White. It's never sold here. Most popular tractors here are the European build New-Hollands and also the German John-Deere's. Fendt and Claas are also good selling tractors. The rare'st modern tractors here are more the Italian one's like a Same and Lamborghini.
 
The most common tractors are the 90 to 140 hp tractors for farmers. Contractors has tractors that goes to 300 hp and more. Today, many brands work to maximize power from an minimize engine as possible for economic. Now you have here tractors with a 4 cyl engine that produces 140hp. The Finnish brand Valtra what's sitting under the Agco flag is on of the kings in produce there engines. And also Fendt is here a big one to do this.
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Here is a new list with pictures of this day:
 
 
Bert on his 200 intervieuwed by the local television
 
 
 
Very nice and smooth running Rumely.
 
 
 
A turnend up FD 5, that's what I think used for tractorpulling.
 
 
 
 
 
a little groupe photo, with from left to right:
Bert Schoo, forum member Dean Bearly from Wisc. , me, my mother and father.
 
 
One of the 'new' tractors this year. a Deutz-Allis 9170.
 
 
 
 
 
One of the very few Deutz-Allis tractors here in Holland.
 
 
 
On of the D14's in front witch where sold new here in the Netherlands in 1958 or so.
 
 
 
 
 
 
a very nice FD5
 
 
 
 
My 190XT
 
 
 
Big brother is watching in litle brother. LOL
 
 
 
 
 
Ever seen a C as this one? It looks like a IB it was really a C. The serialnumber begin with C
 
 
 
 
 
 
My mom and girlfriend, who likes tractors also.
 
 
Two beautifull restored B's, in front is an English built B.
 
 
 
Original plate from the original importer of Allis-Chalmers in years 30 till end 50's on the back seat of a B.
 
 
Starting a Continental U.
 
 
 
 
This nice 40 years old Scania Vabis truck has brought also some tractors.
 
 
 
 
 
 
More pictures will come soon if you like.
 
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Great pictures Johan. If you have anymore, I would be pleased to see them.
Did any of the Allis green line of tractors (pre 1929) make it to the Netherlands ? Also where is Bert Schoo's place (farm) ? If I ever visit the area, I would like to look him up.
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Another question for you Johan. Does Bert Schoo still own a TLW Allis Chalmers loader ? I have an AC reference book written by Bill Huxley of England and it shows a photo of a younger Bert Schoo driving a TLW and it also states that he owned it.
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AWESOME PHOTOS!!!!!

I want to see more!!!!

Thank you for sharing!!!!! I've learned so much just from your pictures.

Is that an All Crop I saw in one of those photos? Were those sold in Europe too?


 
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keep the pics coming, these are all priceless for us to see. we probably never dreamed there were so many great tractors in Holland. thanks to you. J
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thabks for the pics johan! and you also have an awesum looking truck too!
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Hello Johan.

Very nice pictures. I sent you an e-mail quite some time ago, including pictures. Did the e-mail reach you? Let me know.

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Hello Rick, yes I saw and read you're email. Thanks for sharing you're photo's. But I forgot to write you back by all the things that I've had to do. Sorry for that.

Clovis, Yes, It's an All-crop. I'm not sure about the type but I thought it was an All-crop 60 or 100. It's was in working condition, very nice unit. There were some All-Crops that sold new here. But I don't know if this is one of them.
 
OrangeKiwi; I'm not sure if the green A-C's were sold new here. But my father told me that there was only one Rumely Oilpull wich was sold new here in the Netherlands. But that one is been scrapped I think.
I thought that Bert has sold his Allis Loader, also I didn't see it this time. When you will like to have more information about him and also for his adress, Look at his website:
 
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