Trying to Start a B (GOT IT STARTED!!!)

Are you sure your timing isn't 180 degrees off?

Didn't the b have 2 different possible firing orders? Also, have you noted if the spark is consistent or erratic? In the last year I've had at least a half dozen customers that tried to save a few bucks on ignition parts only to wind up calling me to fix it. In every one of these cases the condenser was faulty causing erratic spark which appeared to be a good hot spark properly timed

You have spark, but if you have not done so, pull the plugs and make sure you have hot spark all the way through the plugs. If the plugs are wet they are not firing. Fouled plugs can cause the problem you are having. Firing order is 1-2-4-3. clockwise. If the tractor has been sitting a long time, look at the ends of the spark plug wires in the distributor cap to see if they are corroded. If the tractor has a distributor, it could be set wrong even though timed correctly. You can try moving it clockwise to increase the timing.

I have not check that yet Sam and I will. BUT I just realized something that I should probably look at again. I replaced the governor in it because the old one was shot and not sure if I paid attention to the timeing mark on it. That could possibly be an issue worth pursuing.

Can't fix stupid

follow Dicks procedure. I would bet the timing is off. pull the wires off and put a plug in #1 wire and ground it... turn the crank slowly with somebodys thumb over the plug hole to feel that your coming up on compression stroke... continue to turn until it fires on #1 and you see the spark. Look in the timing hole and should be TDC showing.. helps to have a second person looking in the hole to assist.... Im guessing your off on this.

Edited by steve(ill) - 04 Jan 2017 at 12:05pm

Like them all, but love the "B"s.

Dick L wrote:

This is the way the wires should be for the proper firing order.

Make sure you are on the compression stroke for number one plug at top dead center when the magneto snaps. Make sure that TDC or CENTER line is in the inspection hole. If not seen adjust until it is. With all the plugs removed turn the engine over to where it snaps and you see spark for number by holding the wire close to the block. When you see this then check the number two plug wire the same way. You then check the number four wire by seeing the spark. then last check number three wire. When turning by hand watching spark on one wire and stopping then going to the next wire for the check you leave nothing to chance. You are able to see spark and know it is in time as long as you have number one correct.

Not sure if this matters but I'm running a distributor Dick

Can't fix stupid

I just noticed that you have a distributor.

Try this page.

Do you have a distributor or magneto???

AJ wrote:

Distributer

Here ya go. You find the TDC on the compression stroke again for number one. Remove the distributor cap. Loosen the base of the distributor. Make sure the rotor is pointing to number one terminal. You may or may not need to lift the distributor up and turn it so when setting all the way down it is pointing to number one terminal. With the points set at .020 when setting on the high point of its shaft cam. rotate the distributor base back and fourth with the switch on watching the points spark. Stop and lock the distributor down when the points are just about to spark. (just before) This will have it in time as close you will get it without a timing light.

With a distributor you do not need to set the governor gear at the timing gear mark. That is for the magneto to make the magneto drive slot horizontal for proper magneto timing. The gear can be anywhere as long as the rotor is pointing to the number one terminal as a starting point. As stated above you lift the distributor out and turn it to where it needs to be.

When I would put the distributor in my stock car after having the engine out I timed it in the dark with a flashlight more times than not. Which happened way to often trying to run two nights a week.

Edited by Dick L - 04 Jan 2017 at 3:29pm

Top Dead Center

Distrubuter pulled out and turned to #1

Cap replaced on distrubuter, wires double checked

Can't fix stupid

How old are those plugs and wires? The plugs look like they still have the original orange paint on them.

Don't believe 'Gasoline' has been mentioned in any of the Posts.

Have you got gas flowing in to the carb. ?

Put some gas in a windex bottle. Spray a bit into intake side of carb, then try starting.

You need fresh gas.

Gary

Its gotta be a timing issue. I might have it all jacked up now.... I've never had this big of an issue before.

Edited by AJ - 04 Jan 2017 at 5:18pm

Can't fix stupid

Yes, getting lots of spark at the points

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The only problem I could see in your case would be would be lack of fuel or both intake and exhaust valves not being closed. If both valves are not closed you are not on the compression stroke. Because of my crippled left hand I can not check with my thumb and the valve position is how I check for compression stroke.

If you had the crankshaft out the other thing I could see would be the camshaft and crankshaft were not in time. Checking for the valves being closed would mean that could not be the problem.

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