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Brent.eggers
Silver Level Joined: 29 Oct 2016 Location: Parsons, Kansas Points: 78 |
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Posted: 29 Oct 2016 at 4:01pm |
Hd 20 help New to being able to use this site it has the 6 110 Detroit I'm in dire need of a blower & drive shaft
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DMiller
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If the splines sheared check your drive flange on the gear train as well. These engines are fairly common and should be all over the US.
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Brent.eggers
Silver Level Joined: 29 Oct 2016 Location: Parsons, Kansas Points: 78 |
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The gear in the engine that drives the blower and splines are good in fact it's a shame that the shaft had to break because it's splines are very good. I have called all over I live in Kansas and I'm not really finding any six 110 engines. There is a guy in Nebraska That claims he has four but he never goes out and looks at them or tells me any prices I have called everyone even I think it's www.Williams .com and several other Detroit engine parts selling places. No luck . There's a guy Las Vegas that has a whole engine for 3500 bucks but won't sell just parts I have been on Google for like 2 weeks trying to find out if anyone has these engines. I have probably called 50 people with other connections And no luck. The six 110 is bigger than I 671 I wonder if the blower off of a 671 would actually work they seem to be the same size Of course I haven't torn into one and see if they pump more volume. I do know the shaft us longer on the six 110 versus the 671. I'm wondering if anyone knows where a HD 20 might be setting that might have a good blower and shaft on it that's junk. They use the six 110s in my research in Jen sets, some sort a train stuff, euclid's, marine , and one guy said to pull airplanes around on ships. I have talked to many old timers that know exactly what is six 110 is. But nobody knows where any are. They were made like from 1945 to 53 or something. The 671 Was Way Way way more common. I'm hoping someone on Hear can help locate one. I'm in Allis guru I have several Allis tractors Ect this old girl has till blade and hydraulic lift and 65 or 70% undercarriage I saved it from the Scrap I have a parts machine but It has been tras planted to a 671 in it. Any help from you guys would be a blessing.
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SteveM C/IL
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6-110's were used in oil fields.Neighbor had one on a pump for his rig.Can't believe you can't buy new from DDA
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Brent.eggers
Silver Level Joined: 29 Oct 2016 Location: Parsons, Kansas Points: 78 |
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I googled dda Detriot diesel Allison I will call tomarrow. Somehow their was a different site & they had loads of boats I will call them as well. I just wish I could call someone & they have what I need but I'm still not shure 6 110 is rare as Hins teeth from what I have found
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Coke-in-MN
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The Detroit Diesel Series 110 is a two-stroke cycle Diesel engine series, available in six-cylinder inline configuration (in keeping with the standard Detroit Diesel practice at the time, engines were referred to using a concatenation of the number of cylinders and the displacement, so this was a model 6-110). It was introduced as the second mass-market product of the Detroit Diesel Engine Division of General Motors in 1945. The 6-110 series engines utilize uniflow scavenging, where a blower mounted to the exterior of the engine provides intake air through cored passages in the engine block and ports in the cylinder walls at slightly greater than atmospheric pressure. The engine exhausts through push-rod operated poppet valves in the cylinder head, with either two or four valves per cylinder. Unit fuel injection is employed, one injector per cylinder, with no high fuel pressure outside of the injector body. The injectors are cycled from the same camshaft responsible for opening the exhaust valves. As a two stroke cycle Diesel engine cannot naturally aspirate, or draw in its own intake air, the blower is necessary to provide air in an amount sufficient both for scavenging of exhaust gasses from the cylinder and to support combustion. Initial versions of the 6-110 engine used a centrifugal-type supercharger. This was very practical for fixed-speed applications such as marine or generator service, but proved a failure in automotive applications. "The engine was developed on the dyno and was never operated above rated RPM. The first application was in Euclid mining trucks, where the driver's income depends on how fast he drives the empty truck back down into the pit. The centrifugal blower ran about 10 times engine speed. Exceeding that RPM was fatal, and in a truck a single missed downshift could mean a failed engine."[1] For that reason a Roots type blower was made available as an option after about 1952. Later high performance versions were available with turbochargers. The initial Series 71 engines from Detroit Diesel were produced in 1-, 2-, 3-, 4- and 6-cylinder versions. The most powerful version, the 6-71, displaced 426 cubic inches and produced 170 hp (127 kW) at 1800 rpm. While these engines with their low cost and relatively light weight were highly successful, there was also great demand for higher horsepower, especially for non-highway applications such as power generation and construction equipment. Since inline engines of more than 6 cylinders tend to have substantial technical problems, and since GM was not to perfect V-block engine technology for another decade, they took two divergent approaches to achieving higher horsepower. One was to couple together multiple 6-71 engines in twin (side-by-side), tandem (fore-and-aft) and the incredible Quad (four 6-71s all driving a single shaft). While these did produce high horsepower and even added some redundancy, they were mechanically complex and relatively expensive. The alternative approach was to design a new engine and increase the displacement from the existing 71 cubic inches to 110 cubic inches, or roughly a 50% increase. This resulted in the model 6-110, with 660 cubic inches total displacement, that produced a continuous rating of 275 hp (205 kW) at 1800 rpm. While the basic engine components (block, crankshaft, pistons, etc.) were all new, many of the additional components (injectors, governors, accessories, marine gears) were simply shared with the Series 71 engines. Since the 6-110 was designed from the outset for heavy-duty high-horsepower applications, it was never produced in a four-cylinder version (that would have displaced 440 cubic inches, very close to the 426 ci displaced by the 6-71). The introduction of the V-71 series in 1957 effectively doomed the 6-110, as both the 8-71 (568 cubic inch displacement) and 12-71 (852 cubic inch displacement) offered higher horsepower in a more compact form factor. However the high torque and great reliability of the 6-110 was still valued for heavy-duty applications. The Series 110 was last produced in 1965, after which the manufacturing rights were purchased by the W. W. Williams Distribution Company, which continues to provide parts for these engines. |
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Brent.eggers
Silver Level Joined: 29 Oct 2016 Location: Parsons, Kansas Points: 78 |
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That's a nice bit of info Coke. I learned a tad more than I had already nown about them. I have thought about a 671 or a v8 transplant I have no idea what all couplings I would ever to get other engines hooked to the tork / clutch. Drive. Honestly I'd like to stay stock. I'm shure from experience put much more engine in it & then I would run cooling probs & power train. That sound dramatic to me like I say the parts hd 20 has a 6-71 But has different mounts & hydraulic pump is hooked up differantly I did start the 6-71 the other day tho had to losenn the ol rack up.
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AC Mel
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Not sure exactly what all you need. We do have 2 HD 20 carcasses that have blowers on them. Not sure if they would even be worth the effort as long as they've been sitting. If you can't find anything we could get into one of these to see what it looks like.
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Brent.eggers
Silver Level Joined: 29 Oct 2016 Location: Parsons, Kansas Points: 78 |
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Wow you mad my day I can almost promise you I could get one to work. Give me a call my names Brent 620 7782905
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CAL(KS)
Orange Level Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3786 |
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brent there was an HD20 for sale about a year ago near the joplin area. Are you the one who got it?
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Brent.eggers
Silver Level Joined: 29 Oct 2016 Location: Parsons, Kansas Points: 78 |
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No a guy that was a real hillbilly from Arkansas moved up hear. He had brough these up from his homeland. Then he moved from parsons to Coffeyville Any ways I bought the 80 acres from him a year ago. He had used the dozer in the last 6 months. I buy every Allis I own broken down it seems. He was going to hauler to the scrap soi shelled out the cash. I'm an Ac guru thru & through my other biggest. Pride is a D 21 series 2saved her from scrap $1500 got that tractor. I bail hay with it now I'm 28 & have to own any Allis especially if it's diesel. I kinda got side tracked their. I just love old Stuff & I get a Kik out of making people that think I can't make some old iron work & run again.
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AC Mel
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Location: N.Ca. Points: 1101 |
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Ok, I visited whit Brent and he forwarded some pictures that I could post up for him, yes his blower has a problem.
He's going to keep looking around. We'll try to look into one of our blowers maybe next week. This tractor could be a real nice specimen if he can get it going again. I can't tell if the hydraulics are one of the original after market manufacturers or not as in Garwood or Carco, but it looks like it worked. He also has this parts tractor of sorts. iIt was a pusher tractor it appears. It's an HD 20 also. But it does appear that some one returned it to a 671 engine. I'm sure Brent can answer questions or ask with these pictures now. |
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Brent.eggers
Silver Level Joined: 29 Oct 2016 Location: Parsons, Kansas Points: 78 |
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Thanks Ac mel
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dpower
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Madison Ne Points: 1576 |
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my uncle was parts manager for over 30 years at Fehrs Allis Chalmers Equipment(Road Builders) in Omaha NE. He also parted out different machines over the years. You want his number to see if he would have parts or know some close in Nebraska??
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Brent.eggers
Silver Level Joined: 29 Oct 2016 Location: Parsons, Kansas Points: 78 |
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Shure would ever hurts to call might learn something too.
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CAL(KS)
Orange Level Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3786 |
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DID YOU TRY GENERAL GEAR IN IDAHO?
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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
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Brent.eggers
Silver Level Joined: 29 Oct 2016 Location: Parsons, Kansas Points: 78 |
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I just called them they couldn't even direct me to anyone
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CAL(KS)
Orange Level Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3786 |
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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
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Brent.eggers
Silver Level Joined: 29 Oct 2016 Location: Parsons, Kansas Points: 78 |
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I called them to a few weeks ago their site showed they have parts & such but the main man said its newer stuff & doesn't fit. I was like ok so why do you advertise. U have 6 110 parts. Anyways I they didn't help any. Their web site got me excited just for a let down.
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Brent.eggers
Silver Level Joined: 29 Oct 2016 Location: Parsons, Kansas Points: 78 |
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Still no real news the guy that had 4 6 110 engines turns out two are 671s. The other twwoo might be 6 110 but way shorter valve covers blower looks differant so I'm. Still hoping & praying evever night that Ac Mel can save. The day or someone can help.
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SteveM C/IL
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8244 |
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I would think a good machine shop could build one and get it heat treated too
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JC-WI
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Wonder if Brents second crawler isn't an HD19, the had those 6-71 in them...
And I do not know where theres a 6-110 either... seen a few sold over the years... probably long gone to scrap eons ago now. |
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Brent.eggers
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I talked to an 80 year old fella last night in Nebraska. Named Bob Witzel. He seemed very sharp. He said he thinks he has a good blower & shaft said he would get back with me today gonna keep my fingers crossed I wonder if someone had a hd-19. & a 20 & cross bred them I have most of the stuf I think I could slide it back together enough to play & save I need a u joint cap or u joint & theiers a berring out in the front of the I think it's the transmission. Think I will try putting it together this winter. I'm shure il be on hear then.
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CAL(KS)
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good news. keep us posted
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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
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Brent.eggers
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Oh I darn shure will I'm shure il be needing something. This site is awesome too
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TramwayGuy
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I am pretty sure that the shaft was made so as to break to prevent worse damage to the gear train.
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dpower
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Not only did Bob work at an AC dealer he and his friend started a business redoing those GM motors that were on Doffin Grinder mixers mounted on trucks so hopefully he does have the parts for you.
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Brent.eggers
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I'm pretty excited to meet Bob & I'm shure he will teach me something I never new. I'm just afraid il get their & want to buy moreAllis stuff than I really need lol. I'm going to temp to meet up saterday to see what he's got.
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Brent.eggers
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Ok so I'm on my way home from Nebraska i a couple blower options so I think I have that covered but I will need a blower drive shaft Ac. Mel
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AC Mel
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Brent, Copy that,did you get any blower pictures from Nebraska? to post up? I'll plan on getting one apart to see. We'll talk again.
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