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 Posted: 06 Jun 2022 at 5:58pm |
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I too think reducing our use of fossil fuels is a good idea, but it can't be forced
Why is is a good idea to eliminate or reduce fossil fuels ? Do you know the amount of ENERGY and CONTAMINATION that is generated when building one of those GREEN BATTERIES ?? And what do you do with it 6 years later ? |
For one thing, it is a finite resource, someday we will run out. Two, there are a lot of other uses for oil then just fuel, would rather keep it for that, and third, the less money spent on fossil fuels, the less money the certain bad guys have to spend.
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Posted: 06 Jun 2022 at 10:45am |
Climate change is not, will not be a catastrophe, just watched a PBS show on the dinos death via comet, mentioned there was no polar ice caps, meaning no glaciers also.
Everything was hunky dory till the comet hit, carbon is not pollution, its always been here otherwise no life.
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Posted: 06 Jun 2022 at 8:14am |
3%According to our Electric Power Annual, solar power accounted for 3% of U.S. electricity generation from all sources in 2020. In our Short-Term Energy Outlook, we forecast that solar will account for 4% of U.S. electricity generation in 2021 and 5% in 2022.Nov 16, 2021
------------------------------ bringing total plug-in electric vehicle sales to 17,700, or one-tenth of one percent of all new light-duty vehicle sales in 2011. By 2019, plug-in electric sales climbed to 327,000, making up almost 2% of new light-duty vehicle sales that year.
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Posted: 06 Jun 2022 at 8:13am |
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YES... and the BIG PUSH is the DAILY beating of FOSSIL FUEL BAD... FOSSIL FUEL BAD....over and over and OVER..... My question is WHY ?? THINK for yourself....It is the CHEAPEST, most AVAILABLE, EASIEST to use fuel available today.... Yea, batteries and solar might gain quite a bit in 50 YEARS... But they are NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME today... Why do you think the GOVT gives BIG INCENTIVES ?? MORE FREE CHEESE ?? ... They are pushing that AGENDA and it is NOT READY.
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Posted: 06 Jun 2022 at 8:03am |
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I don't think anyone is against change, however, this whole push to force people to change is a collosal example of getting the cart before the horse,, literally,,and an example on steroids to boot.
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Posted: 06 Jun 2022 at 6:40am |
We all know that it would be impossible for everyone to have an electric vehicle now, or even in the near future. It will take years to improve the infrastructure to generate or distribute the electricity it would take.
The bottom line is that it's much easier to find alternative ways to generate electricity than it is to replace fossil fuels. For the last few years, we have significantly reduced fossil fuel consumption with alcohol based products. I doubt any of us would have predicted that in the early 70's or before.
It wasn't long ago that we had never heard of solar or windmill generated electricity, but now it significantly adds to the electrical grid.
I doubt there will be many completely fossil fueled vehicles on the road in 50 years. Many of us resist change, but none of us would have thought of anything called the internet 30 years ago and now we all use it daily.
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Posted: 06 Jun 2022 at 4:00am |
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So a few, a LIMITED few EVs can recharge in 20 minutes on road trips, add the HUNDREDS that will be looking for chargers at around same time period as these become ever prevalent along with that energy to FEED those rapid chargers. Wind or Solar are not in that equation to any level of viability. We are speaking of Hundreds to thousands of megawatts along every major interstate to supply the existing loads of homes and business along with vehicles (include bus and hd truck) chargers. Impractical is the least value word here.
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Posted: 05 Jun 2022 at 9:17pm |
The push for EVs EVerywhere is NOT about saving the World..going green.. it's about MAKING 'GREEN' ,for a select few AND controlling the masses.No differnet htan taking away guns and the 2nd. slowly, surely, 'they' gain huge amount of power and control over 'John Q. Public'. Gotta look at the 'chessboard'..moves like ''fossil fuels bad' chant,day after day, buying foreign when there's billions under our feet,stall pipelines, decommission nukes, no new nukes, no refineries,no hydro power plants(big or small),no geothermal to speak of,price gas out of the working man's wallet,add BS to 'cars' we don't need,lousy gas mileage, upsell EVs all the time,...it goes on and one...eventually efough lemmings buy into the mantra and will rather walk than drive gas powered car
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Posted: 05 Jun 2022 at 9:05pm |
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What nearly everyone fails to realize is EV’s currently have a statistical insignificant share of the market. Experts, that are not attempting to bs the public, claim it would take over 40 years even with an ‘all hands on deck’ approach to revamp the infrastructure to EV’s. And that’s just the grid, recharge stations, etc.
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Posted: 05 Jun 2022 at 8:51pm |
I too think reducing our use of fossil fuels is a good idea, but it can't be forced
Why is is a good idea to eliminate or reduce fossil fuels ? Do you know the amount of ENERGY and CONTAMINATION that is generated when building one of those GREEN BATTERIES ?? And what do you do with it 6 years later ?
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Posted: 05 Jun 2022 at 7:50pm |
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I have a colleague who has two Tesla's. He loves them.
He recently had a 2200 mile round trip (to Georgia). he said recharging at fast charging sites took around 20 minutes, so they planned bathroom breaks and meals at fill-up times. It sounded a lot easier than I thought it would be.
I do think we need to end, or drastically reduce our dependence on fossil fuels. I think 2035 is a fantasy, but I think our kids will see electric vehicles as the norm in their lifetime. |
I have a friend with a Tesla model 3. He says a 14.5 hour trip from Omaha to Salt Lake City, now takes 16 hours. He likes his. I too think reducing our use of fossil fuels is a good idea, but it can't be forced. Cheaper fossil fuels, and a robust economy, will get us there faster then the route they are trying to force everybody on.
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Posted: 05 Jun 2022 at 7:47pm |
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I didn't mean to imply you said it was free ..but 'greenies' tend to figure EVERYTHING is free....
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Posted: 05 Jun 2022 at 7:29pm |
I have a colleague who has two Tesla's. He loves them.
He recently had a 2200 mile round trip (to Georgia). he said recharging at fast charging sites took around 20 minutes, so they planned bathroom breaks and meals at fill-up times. It sounded a lot easier than I thought it would be.
I do think we need to end, or drastically reduce our dependence on fossil fuels. I think 2035 is a fantasy, but I think our kids will see electric vehicles as the norm in their lifetime.
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Posted: 05 Jun 2022 at 6:44pm |
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I didn't mean to imply you said it was free ..but 'greenies' tend to figure EVERYTHING is free....
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Posted: 05 Jun 2022 at 5:46pm |
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Also as the HUGE Fossil Stations Shut Down this will be a LESS THAN advantageous machine to have needing a Plug In.
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Posted: 05 Jun 2022 at 5:31pm |
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No where, did I say it was free. You plug in, and swipe your credit card.
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Posted: 05 Jun 2022 at 3:58pm |
I like the long (8') box myself, but when you look around at newer pickups, probably 90% or more are short boxes.
I, too, am thinking of a Lightning. I will keep my F-350 diesel for hauling our camper or gooseneck trailer, but I don't tow heavy very much. I think I would like an electric vehicle for a daily driver.
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Posted: 05 Jun 2022 at 3:54pm |
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Utility I worked for furnished charging stations, you put your name in for use and they charged PER HOUR ATTACHED. Nothing is ever "Free".
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Posted: 05 Jun 2022 at 3:39pm |
What can you haul ???
5' 6" bed with the tail gate down is 7 ft long... I was hauling 10 - 12 ft 2 x 6 and 30 sheets of plywood a coupe years back... When you think about it, not much is "8 feet long"... refrig, stove, oven, lawn mower, chairs, table ............ you can still haul 90% of the stuff.. probably 100% if your THINK about it.
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Posted: 05 Jun 2022 at 2:07pm |
re: The guy wants a pickup to be able to hauls things, so he has a pickup
WHAT can a guy put in a 5'6" 'pickup box' ?? If I owned that company,NO way I'd install FREE charging stations for ANYONE....
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Posted: 05 Jun 2022 at 1:19pm |
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For most city dwellers, if the husband and wife both work, they need two vehicles. To me the Ford Lighting makes sense. The guy wants a pickup to be able to hauls things, so he has a pickup. If the truck gets charged to 60% every night, that will still get you 150 miles, which will get most people to work and back. There are a number of companies putting in charging stations for employees to be able to charge their vehicles while work. If I was in that situation, I would consider one.
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Posted: 04 Jun 2022 at 5:45pm |
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You guys sound like you did in 2017 predicting the doom and gloom of the aluminum bodies. Now everyone has at least some aluminum panels.
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Posted: 04 Jun 2022 at 5:39pm |
Just heard the new lightnin truck has the option of a built-in coffee maker...
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Posted: 04 Jun 2022 at 10:40am |
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Do any of you guys have you guys have your name in the pot at your local dealer for this electric grocery getter ? |
Not me. Gonna have to make decision on the ‘ol Suburban this summer. Floor is getting spongy under drivers feet, transfer case has a slight leak, rear ac doesn’t work, drivers door latch doesn’t work from the inside. Just don’t know if it’s worth it. Wanna try and find a pickup thats old enough that it doesn’t have the government third eye, but still in good shape.Shucks Lars, that sounds to me like you just getting it broke in! That's how Fords come new! They even have a pre-rust option (the rusting process is started during manufacturing) that seems rather popular. |
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Posted: 04 Jun 2022 at 6:18am |
I guess I bought my 2021 F-350 at a good time. I had planned to order in April to get delivery after the snow and ice season. In early March, Ford sent me a "returning customer coupon" for $2500 off my best negotiated price.
Since I had decided to trade and I had "built" my new truck online (several times), I went in, made a deal on my trade-in and ordered the new truck. That was early March. My new truck came in in mid-April. I was out of town and picked it up on April 20.
When I was picking it up, the dealer told me that trucks were getting hard to get and I was lucky I ordered it when I did. I thought he was making me feel good about ordering, but it turned out that it was truer than I would have ever believed.
Sorry to get this thread off topic.
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Posted: 04 Jun 2022 at 6:06am |
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All the auto manufacturers are still having trouble getting vehicles out the doors, and lots of dealers are jacking up prices in response. We looked at a new Ford F250 or F350 and in either case the dealership was charging $30,000 over sticker price! According to the salesman the trucks we looked at were lease trucks with less than 300 miles on them, so they were no longer considered new trucks. We drove an F350 with almost all of the options which the original sticker was $80,000, but the salesman thought he could get us into the truck for $105,000! I took a hard pass on that one!
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Posted: 04 Jun 2022 at 5:22am |
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My local dealer told me they can't order them. Ford has temporarily shut off the orders. He claims they have had a lot of interest in them and can't give a manufacture/delivery date, so Ford has shut down orders until they catch up.
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apparently every ford dealer has to take at least one of the E trucks. but now the company says if they sell that one truck, they will get fined by the factory. don't say how much the fine is, but now the factory wants to put the E trucks on line sales only with a no haggle price. the factory said they caught one dealer with their E truck that listed for under $40,000. and the dealer was trying to sell it for about $150,000. factory put the kabatches to that! they sound like an over sized golf cart to me!
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Posted: 31 May 2022 at 10:06am |
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Steve, my 2013 F150 Supercab 4X4 with the 5.0 and 3.73 gears has similar fuel mileage and plenty of power. On the rare occasion, the mileage computer will register 21-22 mpg for the tank (probably downhill with a tail wind). Probably going to keep it for a long time since only has 121,000 on the odometer.
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