I "SIT" at a RR crossing, I don't "set" BTW 

He's been set on stupid, for as long as I have observed him...

One can't help observing loud noises and bad odors...

A Lightning will be coming to my driveway ,hopefully in the near future. One of my brother's 'gigs' is to do 'test drives and reports'. gets all sorts of vee-hick-les to 'use and abuse'.

The last one here was the e-Mustang..POS.

The big issue with them is cost of batteries. F-150 EL pack, small one is about $18000 to 'remove and replace' every  8 years. While the technology is nice(not impressive) HOW it'll last in salty Ontario remains to be seen.

The other is RANGE.You can only get just under 240 miles on a charge.No passenger,co cargo, no trailer behind you.

Pet peeve for me, seems ONLY 4 door,4wd available.

How can anybody justify buying a vehicle that has an $18,0000 repair bill every 8 years.  If a person keeps a truck for 16 years,(not unusual), they are faced with a $36,000 cost in addition to the acquisition cost.  I saw the base unit is priced around $60,000.

So lifetime cost is around $96k not including insurance/operating/repair costs. 😲😲😲

How ?

Easy... I've gone GREEN...saving the World,,'bad' fossil fuels.... Green is GOOD....

hard dee har har....

I've had my '97 F150 for 23 years, so 3 'battery replacements' x $18 is FIFTY FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS... That alone will buy a brand new F-150 with economical gas engine in it....

I know of a local guy tossing batteries into a newer Mini... than kinda makes sense....

just not cents.!

Hybrids, am aware of Four that are sitting, Batteries will not accept sufficient charge to drive for any length of time, Small gas engine is pretty well at limits when Battery Charge gets low so piddly poor economy.  Battery Swap on a Honda Prius $16500, for a Nissan leaf $17200, REQUIRES all cables and associated relays be replaced as well as battery to receive even a Year Replacement Warranty.

Fully Functional with NEW Battery NONE of these EV or Hybrid will Bluebook for more than $18,000 Retail.

Since I had decided to trade and I had "built" my new truck online (several times), I went in, made a deal on my trade-in and ordered the new truck. That was early March. My new truck came in in mid-April. I was out of town and picked it up on April 20. 

When I was picking it up, the dealer told me that trucks were getting hard to get and I was lucky I ordered it when I did. I thought he was making me feel good about ordering, but it turned out that it was truer than I would have ever believed.

Sorry to get this thread off topic.

Its a mach-e-auto!  

re: The guy wants a pickup to be able to hauls things, so he has a pickup

WHAT can a guy put in a 5'6" 'pickup box' ??

If I owned that company,NO way I'd install FREE charging stations for ANYONE....

5' 6" bed with the tail gate down is 7 ft  long... I was hauling 10 - 12 ft 2 x 6 and 30 sheets of plywood a coupe years back... When you think about it, not much is "8 feet long"...  refrig, stove, oven, lawn mower, chairs, table ............ you can still haul 90% of the stuff..  probably 100% if your THINK about it.

I, too, am thinking of a Lightning. I will keep my F-350 diesel for hauling our camper or gooseneck trailer, but I don't tow heavy very much. I think I would like an electric vehicle for a daily driver.

He recently had a 2200 mile round trip (to Georgia). he said recharging at fast charging sites took around 20 minutes, so they planned bathroom breaks and meals at fill-up times. It sounded a lot easier than I thought it would be.

I do think we need to end, or drastically reduce our dependence on fossil fuels. I think 2035 is a fantasy, but I think our kids will see electric vehicles as the norm in their lifetime.

Very true.

I have a friend with a Tesla model 3. He says a 14.5 hour trip from Omaha to Salt Lake City, now takes 16 hours. He likes his. I too think reducing our use of fossil fuels is a good idea, but it can't be forced. Cheaper fossil fuels, and a robust economy, will get us there faster then the route they are trying to force everybody on.

The push for EVs EVerywhere is NOT about saving the World..going green.. it's about MAKING 'GREEN' ,for a select few AND controlling the masses.No differnet htan taking away guns and the 2nd. slowly, surely, 'they' gain huge amount of power and control over 'John Q. Public'.

Gotta look at the 'chessboard'..moves like ''fossil fuels bad' chant,day after day, buying foreign when there's billions under our feet,stall pipelines, decommission nukes, no new nukes, no refineries,no hydro power plants(big or small),no geothermal to speak of,price gas out of the working man's wallet,add BS to 'cars' we don't need,lousy gas mileage, upsell EVs all the time,...it goes on and one...eventually efough lemmings buy into the mantra and will rather walk than drive  gas powered car

The bottom line is that it's much easier to find alternative ways to generate electricity than it is to replace fossil fuels. For the last few years, we have significantly reduced fossil fuel consumption with alcohol based products. I doubt any of us would have predicted that in the early 70's or before.

It wasn't long ago that we had never heard of solar or windmill generated electricity, but now it significantly adds to the electrical grid.

I doubt there will be many completely fossil fueled vehicles on the road in 50 years. Many of us resist change, but none of us would have thought of anything called the internet 30 years ago and now we all use it daily.

Right, but if you assume things unsaid, it's a lot easier to argue!!

  Climate change is not, will not be a catastrophe, just watched a PBS show on the dinos death via comet, mentioned there was no polar ice caps, meaning no glaciers also.

   Everything was hunky dory till the comet hit, carbon is not pollution, its always been here otherwise no life.

For one thing, it is a finite resource, someday we will run out. Two, there are a lot of other uses for oil then just fuel, would rather keep it for that, and third, the less money spent on fossil fuels, the less money the certain bad guys have to spend.

re: For one thing, it is a finite resource, someday we will run out.

not really, just plant a kazillion trees.... fossil fuels ARE 100% renewable.

The 'trick' is you HAVE to plant the trees NOW for future generations to use them as fuel....

ALL the Hype on CO2 levels has been debunked decades ago as well, can change the atmosphere by 200% CO2 and will NOT make a difference in a lab in a large area test, that as CO2 is LESS THAN .05% of the atmosphere(Currently and .0423%), does NOT even make up One Tenth of One Percent where the Scientists pushing Climate Change prefer SMALL scale test models they write equations to show they are correct not that they could be incorrect.  So they Use PPM numbers as are Larger SOUNDING 412ppm sounds so much more scary than .0423%.  A 200% rise makes it .15%, in comparison Water Vapor the KNOWN worst Green House agent is over 4% atmosphere and can vary up to 150% for any given point of time.

The way Humans found Coals and Oils is from surface exposures, all the while releasing unquantified TONS of Methane, Butane and other flammable gases into atmosphere as a natural product of that time period.  La Brea Tar pits in California is a Prime Example, Coal Seams are STILL visible across the Western USA Mountain regions and they remain methane releasers.  Methane bubbles up from nearly every lake or pond worldwide as organics decompose.

The Science is and has been Junk for forever as the Scientist cannot enter all the equation variables into their models as the processors LOCK UP, too many off chance redirection points and potentials to come up with a answer.  Could be we are at the end of the last great warming and will soon be entering a cool down by orbit/solar power level/planet wobble/etc etc etc.   Milankovitch postulated that LONG ago as to the Earth being ever more dynamic and changing than any human could determine.

You got to PUSH THAT AGENDA  how ever you can.

I remember 'them' using tugboats hauling icebergs.........

OK, what other wackydoodle things can we come up with ?!

I know the garden planting season has been delayed a month.

Used to plant potatoes on St Patrick's day, have to wait a month now.

Been like that for several years as I see it.

As for spending $16,000 dollars every 8 years to replace parts,

I would assume the average Ford owner is already used to that. Zing!

Thats why they want gasoline to be $5. - $6. gal ....... at that rate you can CHARGE your BATTERY and REPLACE every 8 years... and its a wash.

In a great deal of companies shares are publicly traded for nearly ANY and ALL investment strategies of Retirement Accounts not just for the Utilities Companies or Unions but ALL retirement funds accounts including those privately traded for IRAs, Annuities, 401Ks etc.  So either a Utility makes money or the share holders sell off those shares to recoup their financed funds.  Is what is currently happening to PG&E in Kali, they are going broke mortgaging their system to make operating funds for day to day business as share holders bail.

Utilities and major Corporations still revert to bank loans for major projects as power stations or assembly plants, short term loans are taken to finance Construction phases, then switched to long term loans with interest rates recalculated ANNUALLY.  Generally these loans only extend to end of life design of a plant but can be refinanced as plants or structures are placed into extended use.

So as Utilities as EXELON or AMEREN or even REAs strive to make a decent profit of say 8-10%, that has to cover Shares Dividends, upgrades and improvements for successive years, major self insured loss column concerns as most of these companies ARE Self Insured under Bonds posted to states.

As Autos, Trucks and even Trains become demand customers on Electrical Grids, look to rolling Black and Brown outs when the systems cannot supply enough.  Was just a MSNBC Article stating USA now EXPORTS close to 75% of all CNG produced in nation.

Sadly I have to pay for electricity.

The question I have is what will the monthly demand charges be at home and at all these recharging stations?  The demand charges at say a 10 stall charging station from the electrical companies won't be cheap and the electricity they sell won't be cheap.

I currently pay just short of $20,000 per year to have 440 3 phase power at 12 irrigation wells, plus what ever electricity they use.  A 20hp 30 amp motor will get a monthly demand charge of over $150, that's 30amp max!!!  So you understand what I'm saying this is not paying for any electricity, or never pumping one gallon of water, that is what I have to pay monthly to have a meter at the pole so if I decide sometime during the year I want to turn my wells on I can and then they bill me for electricity on top of the $20k if I irrigate.

The electricity won't be cheap at the quick charge stations, that is why I posted a video a while back of a Ford ecoboost against a Rivian pickup pulling a 5000# load and on a 60 mile round trip there was less than $3 difference on $4.50 fuel!  Nobody with a brain would consider these electric pickups if fuel was the price it was 2 years ago.

going 'green' has always been about the 'bottom line' NOT about 'saving energy' or 'helping Mother Nature'. Anyone with 3 brain cells can figure that out PDQ.

So since the USA is exporting 75% of CNG, there is NO energy shortage.Same BS here in Canada,we export( primarily to you...) billions of BTUs. 'They' make a pretty profit and we get the big stick while at the pumps.....

-> K99... this 'demand charge'. Is it just the 'wires are there ' charge ? and NOT that you exceeded actual 'demand'(usage) ? Before smart meters got installed ,all commercial businesses up here had 'demand' meters. If you exceeded xxkWh for yy mins, the 2nd RED needle moved up and you'd pay a LOT for that energy. Some guys used 'load shedding', swapped machines, or ,um, used dental pics to 'reset the red'. can't do ANY of that with 'smart' meters...sigh

Yes, that's only supposedly for the power drop, off of a existing lines, if you need power lines brought to you you have to pay for that up front onetime,(example 1/4 mile 3 phase to get to well about $40,000 to get power to you), then they charge each month once meter is installed.   The demand is figured off the maximum amount of amps that is pulled anytime throughout the entire year.  So when you start a well and it pulls 30 amps to get rolling for 5 seconds but then only pulls a steady 20 amps for continuous hours/days they still charge based on the 5 seconds of 30 amp.

Oh and if you have them pull a meter they won't charge you, however if it is reinstalled within 1 year of being pulled out you have to pay for the months it was out or they won't put it back in.  I've been on the phone many times with them biching as they are a customer cooperative and I'm positive that they don't know me by my name butt by that azzhole from down south.  I knew they were all wasted phone calls but with unlimited time now days on these cellphones, I get bored setting in a tractor and if nobody is posting here,  it passes time for me.

Plan on the high side, then double it, and extend an extra 5 years.

"DEMOCRAT"

From a Motor Trend report...( I think..) Starting at $54,669 with the standard battery, opting for the Extended Range Battery adds $19,500— https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/maverick/" rel="nofollow - roughly the cost of an entire Ford Maverick —to the F-150 Lightning XLT's base price.

so.... the $19,500 is the USA $ price for the slightly bigger battery does NOT include the installation cost,also WHAT will YOU get for the old battery ? YOU own it !!