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TomC 
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 Posted: 31 May 2022 at 9:52am |
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Buddy of mine just said he's going to buy an electric truck just as soon as Joe Biden gets an electric air force one.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 28 May 2022 at 9:55pm |
My 2013 F150 is 4 wheel drive, 6 speed, has close to 400 HP, gets 20 MPG at 58 MPH and 15.5 MPG at 77 MPH....... and ITS PAID FOR!!............ Think i will set this one OUT ! 
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DMiller
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Posted: 28 May 2022 at 6:49pm |
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Between Mining, Manufacture, the current INABILITY to Recycle, MASSIVE.
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im4racin
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Posted: 28 May 2022 at 6:32pm |
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What is the carbon footprint of one of those batteries?
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DMiller
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Posted: 28 May 2022 at 5:09pm |
First Hand knowledge of Three Tesla Owners from Day One with the first sold, TWO have had a Battery Change, NOT Warranty as Hours of Service went beyond the Warranty Schedule. Seems the Battery System has a Meter that derives 'Usage Time' even during Recharges, so that $18K is Chicken feed as these were well above $22k with the Labor in Shop to perform. Third one is just coming due and the owner has already spoke to the Tesla Distributor here, $23,600 NOW. ALL are 2009 models and received ONE Warranty Battery Swap. Do NOT see Eight Year Lifespan due to Deep Cycling batteries.
Hybrids, am aware of Four that are sitting, Batteries will not accept sufficient charge to drive for any length of time, Small gas engine is pretty well at limits when Battery Charge gets low so piddly poor economy. Battery Swap on a Honda Prius $16500, for a Nissan leaf $17200, REQUIRES all cables and associated relays be replaced as well as battery to receive even a Year Replacement Warranty.
Fully Functional with NEW Battery NONE of these EV or Hybrid will Bluebook for more than $18,000 Retail.
Edited by DMiller - 28 May 2022 at 5:28pm
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 28 May 2022 at 4:00pm |
How ? Easy... I've gone GREEN...saving the World,,'bad' fossil fuels.... Green is GOOD.... hard dee har har....
I've had my '97 F150 for 23 years, so 3 'battery replacements' x $18 is FIFTY FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS... That alone will buy a brand new F-150 with economical gas engine in it....
I know of a local guy tossing batteries into a newer Mini... than kinda makes sense.... just not cents.!
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dee_veloper
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Posted: 28 May 2022 at 2:04pm |
 The big issue with them is cost of batteries. F-150 EL pack, small
one is about $18000 to 'remove and replace' every 8 years. While the
technology is nice(not impressive) HOW it'll last in salty Ontario
remains to be seen. The other is RANGE.You can only get just under 240 miles on a charge.No passenger,co cargo, no trailer behind you. Pet peeve for me, seems ONLY 4 door,4wd available. |
How can anybody justify buying a vehicle that has an $18,0000 repair bill every 8 years. If a person keeps a truck for 16 years,(not unusual), they are faced with a $36,000 cost in addition to the acquisition cost. I saw the base unit is priced around $60,000.
So lifetime cost is around $96k not including insurance/operating/repair costs. 😲😲😲
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 28 May 2022 at 6:03am |
A Lightning will be coming to my driveway ,hopefully in the near future. One of my brother's 'gigs' is to do 'test drives and reports'. gets all sorts of vee-hick-les to 'use and abuse'. The last one here was the e-Mustang..POS. The big issue with them is cost of batteries. F-150 EL pack, small one is about $18000 to 'remove and replace' every 8 years. While the technology is nice(not impressive) HOW it'll last in salty Ontario remains to be seen. The other is RANGE.You can only get just under 240 miles on a charge.No passenger,co cargo, no trailer behind you. Pet peeve for me, seems ONLY 4 door,4wd available.
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DiyDave
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Posted: 28 May 2022 at 4:21am |
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Lars(wi)
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Posted: 27 May 2022 at 10:29pm |
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Do any of you guys have you guys have your name in the pot at your local dealer for this electric grocery getter ? |
Not me. Gonna have to make decision on the ‘ol Suburban this summer. Floor is getting spongy under drivers feet, transfer case has a slight leak, rear ac doesn’t work, drivers door latch doesn’t work from the inside. Just don’t know if it’s worth it. Wanna try and find a pickup thats old enough that it doesn’t have the government third eye, but still in good shape.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 27 May 2022 at 9:13pm |
yet... you STILL cant take a HINT ??? 
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 27 May 2022 at 9:09pm |
Stop "observing " me then !! I don't recall any worthwhile answer to any of my questins in recent years anyhow
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DiyDave
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Posted: 27 May 2022 at 8:47pm |
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 27 May 2022 at 8:05pm |
but apparently you can't SET your brakes while you SIT ?
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 27 May 2022 at 8:02pm |
Sadly, I found out that BOTH of the calipers on the rear of my buggy have been locked up for "who knows" how long and since repairs, my MPG has gone from 10 to 12  I "SIT" at a RR crossing, I don't "set" BTW |
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 27 May 2022 at 7:56pm |
just think of all the GAS you will save when your setting at the RR crossing, watching the 200 car PARKED TRAIN !!
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 27 May 2022 at 7:55pm |
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In all honesty, the main chassis/cab of the '05 is rust free, it's the steel service body that will be the downfall to this "mechanically sound" Ford product
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Posted: 27 May 2022 at 7:52pm |
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Does the brew oval fade in it as the battery runs down?
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 27 May 2022 at 7:51pm |
Nope, thinking about YOU !!!
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 27 May 2022 at 7:48pm |
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are you thinking about trading in your 20 year old rusted out Lumber Wagon ?
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 27 May 2022 at 7:15pm |
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Do any of you guys have you guys have your name in the pot at your local dealer for this electric grocery getter ?
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