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Originally posted by CTuckerNWIL CTuckerNWIL wrote:


Originally posted by bakwoodsfarm bakwoodsfarm wrote:

I replanted my RR1 beans from last year with great results.


So, how much do you have to pay Monsanto ? 


RR1 is off patent, shouldn't have to pay anything.
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Originally posted by bakwoodsfarm bakwoodsfarm wrote:

I replanted my RR1 beans from last year with great results. My neighbor that farms 2500 acres said he will never replant anything because they will not yield but half. I don't see it myself. Even if they do yield half, you only have $9.00/bag in them instead of $50 or more. The only problem is wet springs with no treatment but you can buy it and apply yourself.

What a stupid statement, where do idiots think these beans come from every year ? Farmers grow them,Put them in the bin. The seed company picks them up, they clean them and put them in bags. No different then you or l would do.
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Originally posted by ILGLEANER ILGLEANER wrote:

Originally posted by bakwoodsfarm bakwoodsfarm wrote:

I replanted my RR1 beans from last year with great results. My neighbor that farms 2500 acres said he will never replant anything because they will not yield but half. I don't see it myself. Even if they do yield half, you only have $9.00/bag in them instead of $50 or more. The only problem is wet springs with no treatment but you can buy it and apply yourself.

What a stupid statement, where do idiots think these beans come from every year ? Farmers grow them,Put them in the bin. The seed company picks them up, they clean them and put them in bags. No different then you or l would do.


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So if I plant bin run beans from the neighbor, does Monsanto have to do DNA testing to know if they are RR1? How do they find out who's planting what to sue the right people?
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The patent is off of RR 1 soybeans. You can keep them for seed, you can't sell them. So your neighbor couldn't sell them to you. Mother Monsanto says they can take a test, to see if there RR1or RR2. Guess who loses ? But if you can prove all you have planted is RR1 your in the clear, Don't ask me how l know
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Well, I have never bought soybeans from any neighbor Big smile Actually, I have never planted anything but what he cleans out of his planter when he's done and that goes for my deer plots which I have never harvested. All of a 1/4 acre maybe!
 I was thinking of making up a good story so the Monsanto trolls would waste a bunch of time and money checking me out LOL


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Originally posted by ILGLEANER ILGLEANER wrote:

The patent is off of RR 1 soybeans. You can keep them for seed, you can't sell them. So your neighbor couldn't sell them to you. Mother Monsanto says they can take a test, to see if there RR1or RR2. Guess who loses ? But if you can prove all you have planted is RR1 your in the clear, Don't ask me how l know


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I know guys around here who have been keeping and cleaning their own beans around here forever...even before the patents came off...u hear stories of guys getting caught but I don't know any of them...I know a guy that kept his liberty beans last year replanted them and nobody ever said a word...I suppose if you're a big time operator u may be in jeopardy but the little guys can go unoticed as long as they're not trying to get the rebate on the chemical too
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There were several guys around here that paid triple digit fines. Know them personally. That's why l never did it, until the patent ran out.
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That's because you love in the people's republic of Illinois...big brother is always watching over there...move east Ilgleaner we will make room for u in the good ole red Hoosier state....by the way corn is down to 18% and only making bout 150 over here...lot of guys very disappointed,thought it was gonna be a bumper crop...just too hot for too long over here this summer...oh well farming never has been easy
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Originally posted by Jwmac7060 Jwmac7060 wrote:

I know guys around here who have been keeping and cleaning their own beans around here forever...even before the patents came off...u hear stories of guys getting caught but I don't know any of them...I know a guy that kept his liberty beans last year replanted them and nobody ever said a word...I suppose if you're a big time operator u may be in jeopardy but the little guys can go unoticed as long as they're not trying to get the rebate on the chemical too
Not true depending on what your definition of a little guy is. I have a relative who was audited by Monsanto last year. They were able, by law, to come into his house, look at all his books and inspected all his fields. They got quite involved and he is a small farmer and he had fortunately bought enough seed to justify his acres. He runs around 800 acres if you count hay ground and pasture ground.
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That's about like playing with fire. There's a local guy that got caught saving roundup beans that can't buy anything but conventional now. I don't know how he even gets a combine through his beans they are so bad.
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they came to my place once, big green farmer neighbor turned me in! I had saved the seed bags to prove I bought new seed and showed what acres were mine. I wasn't bothered again after that. I still always bought new seed each year as I would never  been able to pay any fine! I then told them to go check a certain building where the big green farmer neighbor kept last years beans for planting the next year! guess what they found! turn about is fair play!  
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I know two guys who got caught. One of them is a family friend. He is in his 80's and only farms about 200 acres. He told my dad don't ever save seed beans and there were tears in his eyes. That was about 10 years ago.
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Originally posted by Dmpaul89 Dmpaul89 wrote:

actually the seed retention program is a stine thing. its for liberty beans. it just came out. you can plant stine beans next spring and use the seed to plant the next year. just have to pay the tech fees which i heard is around $18 a bag. add cleaning and treatment and your around $25 a bag. (half cost) you can even trade varieties with other farmers just cant sell them as seed of course.

Funny how prices vary.  That's about our costs for Liberty in totes.  One farm for the last 10/12 years we notil and rotate LIberty beans and round up corn. Another place we rotate RR beans and conventional corn with conventional/minimun tillage.  And each year we will have different situations.  This year Liberty give us weed fits...Had to use Cadet to tame things.  First year I have ever seen Marestail....Dale
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Originally posted by ILGLEANER ILGLEANER wrote:

Originally posted by bakwoodsfarm bakwoodsfarm wrote:

I replanted my RR1 beans from last year with great results. My neighbor that farms 2500 acres said he will never replant anything because they will not yield but half. I don't see it myself. Even if they do yield half, you only have $9.00/bag in them instead of $50 or more. The only problem is wet springs with no treatment but you can buy it and apply yourself.

What a stupid statement, where do idiots think these beans come from every year ? Farmers grow them,Put them in the bin. The seed company picks them up, they clean them and put them in bags. No different then you or l would do.


Yeah his neighbor must have been listening to all of those university extension specialists who were saying that saving seed is not a good idea (even though the patents are off)  claiming it wouldn't yield as well.   I heard several of them say that and read several articles written by extension specialists to that effect.  I have a pretty good idea where their research $$$ were coming from. 






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