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Topic: ? for soybean growers
Posted By: bakwoodsfarm
Subject: ? for soybean growers
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 10:22am
| I have had a LOT of problems with marestail this year!!!!!!!!!! My question is: I have a field at my house of about 6 acres that I sprayed with gramoxone and atrazine with the intention of planting corn. I did not have enough seed or fertilizer to plant it, SOOOOOOOOO. I used that field to calibrate the drill for beans and liquid fert. That is the ONLY field I have that does not have a single marestail or pigweed in it. I waited 30 days to plant and resprayed with roundup and prefix 30 days later. That is all I have sprayed it and it looks GREAT. Bigger plants, more pods per inch of plant, A LOT LESS WEEDS. Has anyone tried this before, I think I'll try it again next spring. |
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Posted By: Sandknob
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 10:38am
| Probably worked OK as I'm betting you had a decent amount of rain to activate the atrazine early on. If it doesn't rain to activate it it can sit there and activate later which could cause problems with your beans. This year was not a good year for clean fields. I have a field of roundup ready soy that I just gave up on keeping clean. Actually my old public variety soybeans are cleaner than the RR beans. |
Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 10:55am
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You got lucky. Atrazine has a 1 year plant back restriction for beans. |
Posted By: bakwoodsfarm
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 11:00am
| If it does work, provided enough rain, then it sure is cheaper than $17/acre for Envive and still have to spray prefix in 30 days anyway. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 11:13am
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Have done it before. Burn down early with Roundup and atrazine. Then get to late for corn, switch it to beans. It will be clean. I wouldn't recommend it as a practice. But if it rains a lot in between app. and planting l wouldn't worry the least about a pound of atrizine on beans. I see volunteer beans in my corn fields all the time. Never seen that before RR beans. ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 11:13am
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Best thing for marestail is a disc !!!!! ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: bakwoodsfarm
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 11:47am
| anybody recommend something more cost effective than Envive? |
Posted By: 7060
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 12:23pm
| We have been using envive for 5 years and it was terrible this year. If it wasn't for us switched to liberty beans we wouldn't have been able to control the mares tail and water hemp. I will say that we can't ask for any cleaner fields after spraying once with Liberty though. Like ILGleaner said a disc worked great 4 years ago I disced 3000 acres with a 1435 sunflower ahead of the planter. That's a lot of fuel and work though and the next year it must have woken up water hemp that we never had problems with before. |
Posted By: bakwoodsfarm
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 1:08pm
| That is the problem, low prices and high inputs. You just cant afford to disk every spring on every acre. At least I can't. I have started burning down fields with roundup and 2-4D. about half price of gramoxone and kills better. Just would love to figure out the preemerge trick. |
Posted By: wekracer
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 1:32pm
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We work all our ground twice. Once deep early spring and then again right before planting. The local elevator had not been as timely as we would have liked for them to be and sometimes it would rain and be two weeks before it got sprayed. So about 4-5 years ago we started spraying residual with saddle tanks and a spray bar behind the planter. That was dads idea. I wanted to just get a 60' pull behind boom sprayer. But from dads perspective it's really easy for me to put the saddle tanks on and off every year. But I digress. Ever since we started that we have reduced our roundup to one spray typically in late June early July. Some fields have been clean enough that we didn't spray roundup at all but most have needed roundup once just to clean them up. I will say we have had some of the cleanest beans that I can remember since we started spraying with the planter and a lot of the neighbors have commented on it. Before that we would always spray roundup twice plus an application of residual after planting. With regard to mares tale and water hemp. We have had some wet years that didn't get an early disking in and got grown up. We still run over it twice, just disk one day, then disk again the second day and plant the third. On those years are when we have the worst weed problems. Seems like if you knock them back early and keep them knocked down whether it be with chemicals or mechanical it's easier to control. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 3:38pm
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Unless you want to spend 100 acre on spray, you don't no-till around here. I know a guy that tore a field up this year, had a good stand of beans, but couldn't kill the weeds. I have a neighbor, that works his ground starting early, and plants late, he has planted beans on beans for years, l mean like 20. His fields are usually clean. No one no tills around here, unless they farm to much, or live in town, and farm, but ain't a farmer, if you know what l mean. You can work ground way cheaper then spray, and l have my own rogator. ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: Jwmac7060
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 9:43pm
| We also have our own rogator and work all of our ground...our marestail problem ended when we went back to plowing in the fall...when ever I double crop beans I either use liberty beans or burn down the wheat stubble with roundup and sharpen and that seems to hold the marestail |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 11:22pm
Sharpen is good on marestail, if you get there before it gets there  if it gets 4 inches tall, your pretty much going to have it, no matter what you try to spray on it. You may burn it back, but it will come back out. If you ever cut one of those plants open, you can see why ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: Jwmac7060
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 6:14am
| We actually went back to moldboarding our double crop bean stubble a few years ago just to get all of the ground turned completely over every couple of years. Since doing that our marestail problem has been pretty well nonexistent along with quite a few other troublesome weeds we had been having....the sees companys just keep adding genetics to all of this stuff thinking that is the be all to end all answer to weed control...it's kind of like that movie Jurassic Park....nature will eventually find a way...all of these weeds will become immune to all of these chemicals eventually...everybody better wake up and realize that. |
Posted By: Play Farmer
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 6:55am
Agreed. We've always had super clean fields. This year started out that way but I think with our severe lack of rain the weeds were able to back up for a better start. Our corn looks great, our beans not-so-much. They'll be OK, they're just not the nicest, cleanest beans we're used to growing.
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Sandknob wrote:Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 7:15am
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A little patch at the old home place was VT'd a day or 2 before beans were planted and may have been sprayed (glyphosate) a bit late. It's full of marestail. The rest of the beans were sprayed commercially and seem to be OK. They probably got sprayed a little earlier. Anybody have a problem with wild cucumber in RR fields? I sprayed my food plots (beans) and had a bit left in the 4 wheeler tank so I sprayed (glyphosate and volunteer mix) along the south fence where cucumber had started. One plant acted like I put fertilizer on it till I went back and sprayed with 24D ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Dmpaul89
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 8:03am
| i may do liberty link next year. with the new seed retention program its a no-brainer. and liberty works. they are the cleanest fields around here. The new extend dicamba beans are a joke they will have a 120' set back required, and most weeds are on borders anyway |
Posted By: bakwoodsfarm
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 9:06am
| I think my problem was at burndown, burnt but not dead, and it regrew. Around here you DON'T use gramoxone on marestail. It will kill the leaves but the stem is still alive and after you run over it with the drill it splits the stalk and it regrows. If I can find a decent 20-25ft disk with leveler I would try it on all fields this spring. Just can't do it with a 10ft over 400 acres. Now I don't have weed problems on my double crop land, the wheat stubble keeps them pretty clean. |
Posted By: VAfarmboy
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 12:43pm
Not just the spray either those No-Till drills are not cheap. I am drilling beans with a Deere 450 Drill I paid $2000 for at an auction. The thing was like brand new but nobody wanted it because everyone has gone to No-Till and a 15' drill is too wide for deer plot guys. |
Posted By: Play Farmer
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 2:53pm
On the bold - you are correct, for the typical food plot guys. We do plots, my small tractor is a D17, I also have a Massey 1100 and a 7000 Allis. I have less in those 3 tractors than my brother paid for his new Ferris zero turn this year - and his is a gasser. We drill the beans with an 11' Deere FBB and plant our corn with a Deere 1240 4 row. We buy our stuff for pennies on the dollar because just the reason you said; it's too small for the typical real farmer and too big for the typical food plot guys. It's nothing but fun on a budget.
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Posted By: Adam Stratton
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 8:21pm
| What seed retention program are you talking about? |
Posted By: wekracer
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 9:00pm
Great question. I knew a couple guys that had their own and it cost them a bundle. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 9:11pm
This new bean that mother Monsanto is coming with. You have to leave a 100 ft border around your field. You can't spray it with the spray, because of drift. You can't spray when there is 0 wind. Or over 12mph. Small window. And you have to clean your tank, 3 times, before going to something else. It isn't the answer !!!!! ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 9:14pm
You have them figured out to !!!!! They make more money putting a "Trait" in something. And keep there patent on , so you have to buy there seed every year !!!! They don't give a $hit if it only last a few years, they will make something else up, to keep the money going in there pockets !!!! And the co-ops love it, because they get to sell everyone sees, every year !!!!! ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: Dmpaul89
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 10:00pm
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actually the seed retention program is a stine thing. its for liberty beans. it just came out. you can plant stine beans next spring and use the seed to plant the next year. just have to pay the tech fees which i heard is around $18 a bag. add cleaning and treatment and your around $25 a bag. (half cost) you can even trade varieties with other farmers just cant sell them as seed of course. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 10:12pm
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You can save RR 1 beans for seed , clean them and keep them, and pay no one anything. ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 10:13pm
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Funny how Monsanto had all there RR1 beans gone before the 2015 season, which you could have saved them from. ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: Jwmac7060
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 5:17am
You got it bud...we cleaned everything up with using liberty for two years and plowing and working the ground the last couple of years....this year I'm cleaning my rr1 beans and replanting those bastartds next year....now if a guy could just find some affordable seed corn we might be able to make some money with these  ty prices.
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Posted By: bakwoodsfarm
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 8:45am
| I replanted my RR1 beans from last year with great results. My neighbor that farms 2500 acres said he will never replant anything because they will not yield but half. I don't see it myself. Even if they do yield half, you only have $9.00/bag in them instead of $50 or more. The only problem is wet springs with no treatment but you can buy it and apply yourself. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 8:48am
So, how much do you have to pay Monsanto ? ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 9:13am
RR1 is off patent, shouldn't have to pay anything. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 2:54pm
What a stupid statement, where do idiots think these beans come from every year ? Farmers grow them,Put them in the bin. The seed company picks them up, they clean them and put them in bags. No different then you or l would do. ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: Skyhighballoon(MO)
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 3:12pm
John I guess that neighbor also thinks all food comes from a grocery store???? Mike ------------- 1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex 1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330 1969 180 gas 1965 D17 S-IV gas 1963 D17 S-III gas 1956 WD45 gas NF PS 1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin 303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 5:21pm
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So if I plant bin run beans from the neighbor, does Monsanto have to do DNA testing to know if they are RR1? How do they find out who's planting what to sue the right people?
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 5:31pm
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The patent is off of RR 1 soybeans. You can keep them for seed, you can't sell them. So your neighbor couldn't sell them to you. Mother Monsanto says they can take a test, to see if there RR1or RR2. Guess who loses ? But if you can prove all you have planted is RR1 your in the clear, Don't ask me how l know ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 6:00pm
Well, I have never bought soybeans from any neighbor  Actually, I have never planted anything but what he cleans out of his planter when he's done and that goes for my deer plots which I have never harvested. All of a 1/4 acre maybe!I was thinking of making up a good story so the Monsanto trolls would waste a bunch of time and money checking me out  ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Daehler
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 8:07pm
Its mother Bayer now and a 66 billion dollar agreement . ------------- 8070FWA,7080 BlackBelly, 7045,2 200s,D19,D17,G, WD,45,UC,7 AC mowers and lots more! "IT TAKES 3 JD's TO OUT DO AN ALLIS, 2 TO MATCH IT IN THE FIELD AND 1 FOR PARTS!" |
Posted By: Jwmac7060
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 9:06pm
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I know guys around here who have been keeping and cleaning their own beans around here forever...even before the patents came off...u hear stories of guys getting caught but I don't know any of them...I know a guy that kept his liberty beans last year replanted them and nobody ever said a word...I suppose if you're a big time operator u may be in jeopardy but the little guys can go unoticed as long as they're not trying to get the rebate on the chemical too
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Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 9:12pm
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There were several guys around here that paid triple digit fines. Know them personally. That's why l never did it, until the patent ran out. ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: Jwmac7060
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 9:16pm
| That's because you love in the people's republic of Illinois...big brother is always watching over there...move east Ilgleaner we will make room for u in the good ole red Hoosier state....by the way corn is down to 18% and only making bout 150 over here...lot of guys very disappointed,thought it was gonna be a bumper crop...just too hot for too long over here this summer...oh well farming never has been easy |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 6:09am
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Posted By: 7060
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 10:58am
| That's about like playing with fire. There's a local guy that got caught saving roundup beans that can't buy anything but conventional now. I don't know how he even gets a combine through his beans they are so bad. |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 2:04pm
| they came to my place once, big green farmer neighbor turned me in! I had saved the seed bags to prove I bought new seed and showed what acres were mine. I wasn't bothered again after that. I still always bought new seed each year as I would never been able to pay any fine! I then told them to go check a certain building where the big green farmer neighbor kept last years beans for planting the next year! guess what they found! turn about is fair play! |
Posted By: wekracer
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 3:05pm
| I know two guys who got caught. One of them is a family friend. He is in his 80's and only farms about 200 acres. He told my dad don't ever save seed beans and there were tears in his eyes. That was about 10 years ago. |
Posted By: orangereborn
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2016 at 11:15am
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Posted By: VAfarmboy
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2016 at 2:04pm
Yeah his neighbor must have been listening to all of those university extension specialists who were saying that saving seed is not a good idea (even though the patents are off) claiming it wouldn't yield as well. I heard several of them say that and read several articles written by extension specialists to that effect. I have a pretty good idea where their research $$$ were coming from. |