DOT regulations

I challenge anyone to define Intra-State Vs. Inter-State with the mind set of todays Federal DOT. It use to be Intra-State movement was within 150 mile of your home base and not crossing into another state. Inter-State was traveling over 150 mile from your base and or crossing state lines. Simple enough, would you not agree? Then a trucker I knew was hauling steel ( 1972 ) from a river terminal to a manufacturing plant about 45 miles away and still within the state. He had been doing this for years. His travel took him by a federal building which housed the Federal DOT enforcement unit. This was long before States began enforcement of DOT regulations. The FED DOT did some investigation and found out were he picked up the steel and were it was going and determined he was "Acting in Inter-State Commerce" . They said that the steel came from another state traveled on the river and he was a continuation of that Inter-State movement. The steel was off loaded from the barge and placed on a dock where it sat for some period of time before the factor had him load it onto his truck an haul it to their location. The Fed DOT action put him out of business. Fast forward to the currant and see how the Fed DOT is wanting to define Intra-State vs Inter-State. The farmer hauling grain to the elevator in his or her home town is at issue. I challenge anyone to tell me when you take grain to your local elevator that they or anyone else can say where that grain is going to end up. Here in is the problem, interpretation of situation/s and the DOT regulation/s . The Feds tell the States to enforce it the way they define Inter-State movement/s. Where in the H--- is the safety issue/s in such a movement? NONE, it's about MONEY. To my knowledge as of late this issue of farmers hauling grain to a terminal or local elevator has been set aside for "more study". Government speak.   Just my thoughts, From out there.

our local Sheriff's Dept is not allowed to do anything that involves DOT regs, moving or non-moving except traffic violations. if they suspect anything wrong they can stop the truck, but have to wait for any DOT officer to investigate and or make an arrest. and if there were no DOT Officers available, there is a time limit to hold the driver, then they have to be turned loose! now....I don't know if it's the policy of that Sheriff's Dept....or if it's state wide here in NE! it was also the same way at the Sheriff's Dept I worked for in another county...but that was because we just didn't have the time or man power for it! our DOT is a division of our State Patrol, and unless it's by special order, there are no DOT Officers on duty after a certain time of the day (I won't divuldge that time) if really needed, they have to be called out on overtime! the fixed scales are the exception!

hmm... re...
However, this does not apply to possession of wine, beer, or distilled spirits which are:

(i) Manifested and transported as part of a shipment; or


Wonder if this will 'pass'


Shipping Orders for 'xyz' farm show

Transport the following items

1) Allis-Chalmers  tractors
2) BBQ devvice and bag of charcoal
3) Cooler,contents consisting of ice,burgers and related food stuffs
4) Cooler,contenets cossisting of ice,beer and bottle opener

All items to be secured and delivered on time


Bet this'd test the inspector.....

Jay

Here is another. I got my 89 Peterbilt registered as a RV. (Portable sink, toilet, microwave and bed.) Stamped RV on Title and RV liscense plates. Will be getting a Kentucky enclosed moving van trailer to haul tractors to shows and will be taking this to MO. this Sept. I do have a med card and my class A, and going to stay out of Iowa, put plan on NOT going through scales. Will say Registered RV on side . Title in bold print say classification M/H.  What do tractor pullers do with this. Another can of worms huh.

is that a business mixed with pleasure?

B26240 I agree with you, it the more rules they make it just turns more of us into violators. This really isn't an issue if you have a wd on a car trailer pulled by a 1/2 ton pickup but then go to a 1ton with a 20,000 tandem dual trailer which should be better safer for towing depending on the size of the load and you open this whole can of worms. Then if you have a semi that you haul grain with to your local elevator all week with no problems, but you hook to a drop deck and want to take three 10,000 lb tractors to a show 2 states away, now there are more regulations. People either choose to get legal, violate, or not go. Someday we need to unite and protest. They need to make it easier for people to do the right thing and it would be better for this countries economy, then trying to throw hoops in front of us to jump through. Darryl I agree you are doing it the right way. For the guys down on the farm that just want to hook there dually to the gooseneck or semi to a trailer throw a few tractors on and go to a show or pull it shouldn't be that hard. The thing is weather it is pulling, showing, or even just farming when people are spending money it is good for the economy.

Brian Jasper co. Ia wrote: The worst part about all this is ask 10 different DOT cops, you'll get 10 different answers. Just because he has a badge does not mean he actually knows the law. Anymore it would probably pay to see a lawyer who specializes in transportation laws...

Brain you have hit the nail on the head with this. I have the name and phone number of US DOT officer that trains on the trucking laws and have been thinking and about having him come to the GOTO  here in Mo. if you guys will be willing to pay his way, it might cost $5. or even $10. per head to come get the facts and not the bull crap that's being spread on this.
So you guys tell me; will you pay 5 or 10 bucks to know the true or am I'm wasting my time, I know what I need to do and stay out of trouble. Please don't me hateful about it but let me know. Thanks Don     

Darrylin...puts you sum dark tinted camper winders in that big trailer, and it'll appear to the ones outside it too is a camper trailer!

The lawyers write the rules!

10,001 is not a total determining factor on needing a CDL and DOT number either. It all goes back to the question "Are you Commercial or Private?" If you're hauling for pay, hauling a tractor to do work for pay,(farming is exempt in most states) showcasing your restoration skills to advertise your abilities for hire, going to a show/pull where you might win prize money, have a sponsor paying part or all transportation costs, (these are only some of the conditions) you are commercial and must comply.
If you answered no to all of the above questions, you're private and exempt from complying.

I say it again, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY !!! Safety my ----. Uniformity is a thing of the past. My friend was in IOWA ( I OUGHT OF WENT AROUND ) a year ago driving a 3/4 ton pick-up with a 25 foot gooseneck trailer hauling farm equipment and was stopped three (3) times in one day and each time ( different officer and different location ) he was put through a complete inspection. Where is the logic in such actions ? From Out There, RODNEY

Don (MO) I think having a DOT person give a semiar or two at the GOTO would be great.  I will chip in on the cost.  Dale

When I done what I was told I need ,I ask now I am legal .

I was told ,Well ,I ( person I was talking to ) am a Interpreter of the Law.

When you get pulled over that Officer is the in-forcer of the law,it all plays out with situation at hand ,ETC,ETC,.

Fred in Pa wrote: DOT told me Tractor Pulling is same as a BUSINESS !!

So if you try "farming" as a business and you lose money every year, the Fed says you can't take deductions on income tax till you show a profit after 3 years of failure.
 So. in my mind, if you can't show a profit from tractor pulling in 3 years time, it must be a hobby and not a business as per the Feds own rules. I guess DOT and IRS don't share that opinion and the opinion of the ocifer at hand when you are pulled over is the ONLY thing that matters