This site is not affiliated with AGCO Inc., Duluth GA., Allis-Chalmers Co., Milwaukee, WI., or any surviving or related corporate entity. All trademarks remain the property of their respective owners. All information presented herein should be considered the result of an un-moderated public forum with no responsibility for its accuracy or usability assumed by the users and sponsors of this site or any corporate entity.
The Forum Parts and Services Unofficial Allis Store Tractor Shows Serial Numbers History
Forum Home Forum Home > Allis Chalmers > Farm Equipment
  New Posts New Posts
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login


D-19 gas pulling info needed

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Message
AC Fever View Drop Down
Bronze Level
Bronze Level


Joined: 04 Nov 2010
Points: 8
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AC Fever Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: D-19 gas pulling info needed
    Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 1:43pm
Has anyone pulled a D-19 gas. How much HP can you get out of it and can you get it into a 5500LB class
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
DonDittmar View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 15 Sep 2009
Location: MIllersburg, MI
Points: 2484
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DonDittmar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 2:33pm
5500 could be done I guess, but she would be tough.  rebuild the engine with D17D pistons, then have them machined to any comp ratio you want
Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity"

1968 D15D,1962 D19D
Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start
Back to Top
AC Fever View Drop Down
Bronze Level
Bronze Level


Joined: 04 Nov 2010
Points: 8
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AC Fever Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 2:40pm
How about using D-19 LP pistons? What kind of compression ratio will the motor take. 
Back to Top
Gary in da UP View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 13 Sep 2009
Location: EUP of Mi.
Points: 1885
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gary in da UP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 3:55pm
That would depend upon how much money you want to throw at it, and the rules for the class / club you pull with. But, to answer best I can 100 hp should be fairly easy, and 5500 should not be too much work.  A d19 is too new for a lot of clubs rules, I think that is why you don't see more of them pulling.  Where I pull it is 1960 and older.
Back to Top
Charlie175 View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Shenandoah, VA
Points: 6358
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Charlie175 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 4:12pm
will they let you pull a D17 series 4 Gary?

Some stop at the year, while others let you pull through the model year. Here 1959 is the limit unless you pull Hot Antique then they say 1963
Charlie

'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD
Back to Top
Gary in da UP View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 13 Sep 2009
Location: EUP of Mi.
Points: 1885
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gary in da UP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 4:29pm
 Not where I'm at , but I know some rules state if the tractor was in production in say from 57 thru 62, then you could pull the 62 model year tractor. NATPA?  My D17 is a 59, and I was at a pull in Fowler Mi, 57 was supposed to be the cutoff,  They took my money and  I pulled a 2nd place. They didn't seem to care for "outside the club" pullers.  I wouldn't go back. I have to say tho, the club I pull with has some stupid rules and  those rules  may discourage new pullers from attending .
Back to Top
Lester View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 08 Jan 2010
Location: Indiana
Points: 518
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lester Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 4:37pm
You can get 10hp more by putting a C!! or XT carb to start with along a few extra rpms.
Back to Top
Allis Fields View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 17 Sep 2009
Location: Reedsburg,Wisc.
Points: 332
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Allis Fields Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 4:37pm
 Allis used a 262 gas in the cotton picker d-17 and that makes lt leagal. I have a pic of a puller. My sugestion is cuchshutt 50 motor 262 crank cam head from a c 3 combine the combo makes 290 cu. or a lp combine motor to start with. sorry lost the pic
Back to Top
Gary in da UP View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 13 Sep 2009
Location: EUP of Mi.
Points: 1885
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gary in da UP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 4:47pm
  LP pistons gave a compression ratio of 9.65:1, beyond that head work would get the most bang for the buck.  A pertronix and a good carb, a cam if you have a little more to spend.    From there its tires , and balance.  I don't subscribe to the heavy mods, til I've got traction under control, that way I don't bend connecting rods, and I have fun pulling and have money and time for other things. Lifes too short to worry about rod ratios and flow numbers.
Back to Top
AC Fever View Drop Down
Bronze Level
Bronze Level


Joined: 04 Nov 2010
Points: 8
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AC Fever Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 6:38pm
Thanks for the advise-we are sick of watch of watching the green and the red at all the pulls. That is why we are looking for a strong  AC that would be competitive with some money spent to help the cause. 
Back to Top
darrel in ND View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 22 Nov 2009
Location: Hebron, ND
Points: 8657
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote darrel in ND Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 9:08pm
AC Fever, I like your thinking! Darrel
Back to Top
Mike NEIN View Drop Down
Silver Level
Silver Level
Avatar

Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: Rome City, IN
Points: 405
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike NEIN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2010 at 6:20pm
Not sure the difference in weight from gas or diesel but I have a buddy that pulls a 19 diesel with us in the 6000# class and runs cast centers and 18.4x38 taurus radials. So I'd think you could get down to 5500 easy enough. Good luck.
Back to Top
bradley6874 View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 05 Sep 2010
Location: salisbury md
Points: 1349
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bradley6874 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2010 at 6:57pm
mine is getting a 301 gas from a 190xt we pull them around here in the 5000 with a good diet for the tractor and driver
Back to Top
mlpankey View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 13 Sep 2009
Location: Vols country
Points: 4580
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mlpankey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2010 at 7:46pm

Computation Results:

  • Engine Horsepower (peak) is 70
  • Old Compression Ratio is 8.0
  • New Compression Ratio is 15.1

    Computation Results:

  • Computed New Engine HP is 82, a 17 percent change
  • Back to Top
    AC Fever View Drop Down
    Bronze Level
    Bronze Level


    Joined: 04 Nov 2010
    Points: 8
    Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AC Fever Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 8:10am
    Will a 301 bolt into a D-19 with out a lot of engineering?
    Back to Top
    Sam T-Ga View Drop Down
    Orange Level
    Orange Level


    Joined: 13 Sep 2009
    Location: Monticello, Ga.
    Points: 392
    Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sam T-Ga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 8:28am
    301  will bolt to the torque tube with all but one 1/2" bolt behind starter, redrill hole in back plate to match. You will have to grind a little in the bell housing for flywheel to clear, not enough to weakin housing, also around starter bore so 301 starter will fit. You will have to build frt end to fit engine, but you want to make lighter anyway.  There is one running in Ga. unless you know allis engines you can't tell it's not foctory.  Sam T-Ga.
    Back to Top
    DonDittmar View Drop Down
    Orange Level
    Orange Level
    Avatar

    Joined: 15 Sep 2009
    Location: MIllersburg, MI
    Points: 2484
    Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DonDittmar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 8:48am
    Originally posted by Mike NEIN Mike NEIN wrote:

    Not sure the difference in weight from gas or diesel but I have a buddy that pulls a 19 diesel with us in the 6000# class and runs cast centers and 18.4x38 taurus radials. So I'd think you could get down to 5500 easy enough. Good luck.
    With me on my D19D it weighs 6600 LBS, If he kept the cast centers, I dont know what he would strip off to get to 5500


    Edited by DonDittmar - 09 Nov 2010 at 8:49am
    Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity"

    1968 D15D,1962 D19D
    Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start
    Back to Top
    Mike NEIN View Drop Down
    Silver Level
    Silver Level
    Avatar

    Joined: 15 Jan 2010
    Location: Rome City, IN
    Points: 405
    Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike NEIN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 12:18pm

    I'm not sure but there's nothing on the back, no fenders, lift arms, pto. I don't know what else he could take off. His front end don't come off the ground either.( We're pulling dead weight on concrete so it's not that tough in that class).

    Back to Top
    Bryan View Drop Down
    Orange Level
    Orange Level


    Joined: 12 Sep 2009
    Location: Illinois
    Points: 463
    Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bryan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 12:53pm
    Replace the rearend cover the seat is bolted to with a aluminum plate. Put a d17 narrow front pedistal under it.
    Back to Top
    DrAllis View Drop Down
    Orange Level Access
    Orange Level Access


    Joined: 12 Sep 2009
    Points: 20984
    Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 12:54pm
    A friend of mine had a gasser many moons ago with 18.4 x 34's on 9 hole pressed steel with dual hubs on the axle and a D17 narrow front pedistal. No hydraulic pump, lines or valves, no lift arm housing and the snap-coupler bell/spring assembly completely removed....a lightweight seat  and no fenders and with him on the seat (200 lbs) could make 5000 pounds. I also had a D17 at the time that would make 4000 lbs with 15.5 x 38's.
    Back to Top
    AC Fever View Drop Down
    Bronze Level
    Bronze Level


    Joined: 04 Nov 2010
    Points: 8
    Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AC Fever Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 1:08pm
    Was he competitive in a 5500 or 6000 pound class with the 262 cubes. I figured that I will have to over 100HP to be competitive. We are checking on the cost of diesel pistons, head work, cam, different carb  and the list goes on.... 
    Back to Top
    DrAllis View Drop Down
    Orange Level Access
    Orange Level Access


    Joined: 12 Sep 2009
    Points: 20984
    Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 5:39pm
    He was competitive for the times....we had diesel pistons with .200" removed from the tops and a 190XT Bendix carb and a cam with a mild grind...governor weights lightened up dramatically for 4000 rpm. As time went on, any good 560/460 IH with a 301 engine was near impossible to beat with a G262.
    Back to Top
     Post Reply Post Reply
      Share Topic   

    Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

    Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.10
    Copyright ©2001-2017 Web Wiz Ltd.

    This page was generated in 0.203 seconds.


    Help Support the
    Unofficial Allis Forum