D-19 gas pulling info needed
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Topic: D-19 gas pulling info needed
Posted By: AC Fever
Subject: D-19 gas pulling info needed
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 1:43pm
| Has anyone pulled a D-19 gas. How much HP can you get out of it and can you get it into a 5500LB class |
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Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 2:33pm
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5500 could be done I guess, but she would be tough. rebuild the engine with D17D pistons, then have them machined to any comp ratio you want ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: AC Fever
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 2:40pm
| How about using D-19 LP pistons? What kind of compression ratio will the motor take. |
Posted By: Gary in da UP
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 3:55pm
| That would depend upon how much money you want to throw at it, and the rules for the class / club you pull with. But, to answer best I can 100 hp should be fairly easy, and 5500 should not be too much work. A d19 is too new for a lot of clubs rules, I think that is why you don't see more of them pulling. Where I pull it is 1960 and older. |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 4:12pm
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will they let you pull a D17 series 4 Gary? Some stop at the year, while others let you pull through the model year. Here 1959 is the limit unless you pull Hot Antique then they say 1963 ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Gary in da UP
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 4:29pm
| Not where I'm at , but I know some rules state if the tractor was in production in say from 57 thru 62, then you could pull the 62 model year tractor. NATPA? My D17 is a 59, and I was at a pull in Fowler Mi, 57 was supposed to be the cutoff, They took my money and I pulled a 2nd place. They didn't seem to care for "outside the club" pullers. I wouldn't go back. I have to say tho, the club I pull with has some stupid rules and those rules may discourage new pullers from attending . |
Posted By: Lester
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 4:37pm
| You can get 10hp more by putting a C!! or XT carb to start with along a few extra rpms. |
Posted By: Allis Fields
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 4:37pm
| Allis used a 262 gas in the cotton picker d-17 and that makes lt leagal. I have a pic of a puller. My sugestion is cuchshutt 50 motor 262 crank cam head from a c 3 combine the combo makes 290 cu. or a lp combine motor to start with. sorry lost the pic |
Posted By: Gary in da UP
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 4:47pm
| LP pistons gave a compression ratio of 9.65:1, beyond that head work would get the most bang for the buck. A pertronix and a good carb, a cam if you have a little more to spend. From there its tires , and balance. I don't subscribe to the heavy mods, til I've got traction under control, that way I don't bend connecting rods, and I have fun pulling and have money and time for other things. Lifes too short to worry about rod ratios and flow numbers. |
Posted By: AC Fever
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 6:38pm
| Thanks for the advise-we are sick of watch of watching the green and the red at all the pulls. That is why we are looking for a strong AC that would be competitive with some money spent to help the cause. |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2010 at 9:08pm
| AC Fever, I like your thinking! Darrel |
Posted By: Mike NEIN
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2010 at 6:20pm
| Not sure the difference in weight from gas or diesel but I have a buddy that pulls a 19 diesel with us in the 6000# class and runs cast centers and 18.4x38 taurus radials. So I'd think you could get down to 5500 easy enough. Good luck. |
Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2010 at 6:57pm
| mine is getting a 301 gas from a 190xt we pull them around here in the 5000 with a good diet for the tractor and driver |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2010 at 7:46pm
Computation Results:Engine Horsepower (peak) is 70
Old Compression Ratio is 8.0
New Compression Ratio is 15.1
Computation Results:Computed New Engine HP is 82, a 17 percent change------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: AC Fever
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 8:10am
| Will a 301 bolt into a D-19 with out a lot of engineering? |
Posted By: Sam T-Ga
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 8:28am
| 301 will bolt to the torque tube with all but one 1/2" bolt behind starter, redrill hole in back plate to match. You will have to grind a little in the bell housing for flywheel to clear, not enough to weakin housing, also around starter bore so 301 starter will fit. You will have to build frt end to fit engine, but you want to make lighter anyway. There is one running in Ga. unless you know allis engines you can't tell it's not foctory. Sam T-Ga. |
Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 8:48am
With me on my D19D it weighs 6600 LBS, If he kept the cast centers, I dont know what he would strip off to get to 5500 ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Mike NEIN wrote:Posted By: Mike NEIN
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 12:18pm
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I'm not sure but there's nothing on the back, no fenders, lift arms, pto. I don't know what else he could take off. His front end don't come off the ground either.( We're pulling dead weight on concrete so it's not that tough in that class). |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 12:53pm
| Replace the rearend cover the seat is bolted to with a aluminum plate. Put a d17 narrow front pedistal under it. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 12:54pm
| A friend of mine had a gasser many moons ago with 18.4 x 34's on 9 hole pressed steel with dual hubs on the axle and a D17 narrow front pedistal. No hydraulic pump, lines or valves, no lift arm housing and the snap-coupler bell/spring assembly completely removed....a lightweight seat and no fenders and with him on the seat (200 lbs) could make 5000 pounds. I also had a D17 at the time that would make 4000 lbs with 15.5 x 38's. |
Posted By: AC Fever
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 1:08pm
| Was he competitive in a 5500 or 6000 pound class with the 262 cubes. I figured that I will have to over 100HP to be competitive. We are checking on the cost of diesel pistons, head work, cam, different carb and the list goes on.... |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 5:39pm
| He was competitive for the times....we had diesel pistons with .200" removed from the tops and a 190XT Bendix carb and a cam with a mild grind...governor weights lightened up dramatically for 4000 rpm. As time went on, any good 560/460 IH with a 301 engine was near impossible to beat with a G262. |