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blacksmith67 
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Posted: 14 Mar 2012 at 10:40am |
I have a D17 that has no oil pressure. It easier remove the engine or to take the pan off to get at the oil pump? Any help or suggestions would be helpful. Jim
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Seth Souerdike
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Posted: 14 Mar 2012 at 11:30am |
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met a guy once who said its easier to take the pan off to get to the pump but he did that for a living for 30 years.
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D17countryboy
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Posted: 14 Mar 2012 at 12:45pm |
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It should be easier to drop the oil pan to get to the oil pump rather than removing the engine.
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Skyhighballoon(MO)
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Posted: 14 Mar 2012 at 1:47pm |
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Tell me how you get an oil pump out of a D17 (assuming it is a 226 gas engine) WITHOUT taking the oil pan off, regardless if the engine is still in the tractor or removed? Mike
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Posted: 14 Mar 2012 at 2:59pm |
I THINK what he means is will the pan come off with the engine still in the tractor 
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
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Posted: 14 Mar 2012 at 3:18pm |
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Shop manual says the front pedestal has to come off to get the pan off. At that point, I'd say pull the engine.
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Posted: 14 Mar 2012 at 3:52pm |
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As I recall, my manual doesn't say the pedestal has to come off.
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Posted: 14 Mar 2012 at 4:27pm |
If the tractor is a gas and has power steering the right hand side rail of the pan is above the steering ram. From the factory AC had a one allen head screw that came in from the top for the one cap screw that is completely hidden by the steering cylinder. Even if it has the allen screw, the lip of the pan is hard to get out from above the cylinder. Also, if it has ever been apart, it may of been changed over to a regular cap screw inserted from the bottom. I was taught by a long time AC mechanic that it is easier/faster just to pull the front end to remove the pan.
If the tractor is a diesel, the above may not apply, don't know if I ever worked on a diesel.
Edited by pirlbeck - 14 Mar 2012 at 4:30pm
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
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Posted: 14 Mar 2012 at 4:48pm |
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The front of the diesel oil pan seals to a plate sandwitched between the block and timing cover. That plate is the front engine mount. I can't say for 100% that it has to come out, but I can't imagine it would be very easy to get the pan out with that plate in place. Forgot about the P/S steering cyl being in the way...
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Posted: 14 Mar 2012 at 5:11pm |
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Yep...that's the reason it's easier to slide the front pedistal back to get the oil pan off...the power steering ram/cylinder is in the way. If it don't have power steering,then the oil pan comes off easily. Rick
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Posted: 15 Mar 2012 at 6:50am |
I think before going to all that work, and it is work, because you will have to take the front end off. If it is a series I, pull the pressure regulator spring, and start it up for a second, see if you get oil, if you do it will be a lot, so be prepared. It is possible the pump is working, and you have a blockage somewhere after the pump, before the gauge. IF you have no oil coming out, I would then prime the pump, just in case, but forcing 30 weight oil in the open hole, let it sit for a few minutes and then fire it up, for a second. See what happens. All of this said, the important thing is not to run it for more that a couple seconds each time, this will help you know what's going on, and could possible save you a lot of work. If it is a series II or newer, just open the lines at the bottom center of the block, and try the same thing.
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Posted: 15 Mar 2012 at 7:08am |
I just happend to have my service manual open to that section, because I need to replace the governor weights and gear. (different story)
Anyway, the service manual says:
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