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truckerfarmer ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 2013 Location: Watertown, SD Points: 3280 |
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Do Your Own tire repair.
Instead of hijacking Thad's post, I figured I would start a new one. Many of us do our own tire repair. I started doing my own a few years ago. Was doing it the old fashioned way with a couple bars levering them on and off. Finally bought a set of truck tire bars. Made things much better, but still a lot of work. Then by a fluke of luck I acquired a Harbor Freight mini tire changer that someone threw away. By chance at the time I was working on some peddle carts for my grandsons that had 4", 6" and 10" rims. If anyone has ever tried to dismount or mount one of those size tires, you know what a pain they can be. That thing works slicker than snot on a doorknob. I could put in a new tube in under 5 minutes. I had been debating about the manual tire changer from Harbor Freight for some time. This was enough to convince me to pull the trigger. One of the best $50 I've spent. Instead of pouring concrete to mount it permanently, I lag bolt it to the floor of a trailer when I need to use it. Makes for a nice open work space, and makes a portable tire shop. Can go right out to the field, instead of having to load the tire up, haul it home, repair it, load it again, and haul it back to the field. I know some of the reviews and YouTube videos about the manual tire changers are bad. But after watching many of the videos, the people complaining don't have a clue what they are doing. Most of them don't properly lube the tire beads. They fail to lube the inner side of the second bead. And instead of messing with soapy water or something like WD-40, invest in a jug of tire lube. About $10 for a gallon. I put it in an empty 80-90 bottle. Makes it easy to drizzle around the bead, and smear it around for a good coverage. As for balancing, I use ceramic balancing beads. No need for weights or a balancing machine or bubble balancer. At first I was leary about them actually working. But one time had a new set of steer tires mounted on a semi and they didn't put beads in. It was like pushing a log chain. Went back next week and they put beads in, and could let go of the wheel and went straight down the road. I now use them in all my vehicles, truck, pickup even wife's Yukon with pressure sensors. I get them at local truck parts store,(Wheelco). Just tell them tire size. They have a chart that tells what size pouch is needed. Just throw the pouch in when you mount the tire. |
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33809 |
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ALMOST did Balance beads when installed the tires on the KW, Should have done it as low expense. Have one or more that have a speed harmonic bounce, 64-66 and again at 70-74.
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Codger ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2458 |
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I ran the beads in trucks that seen a lot of highway service miles. Not really a good setup for vocational work I've found that are low speed or subject to flats. The valve stems are of a special type for the beads and you must use very dry air or they can clump inside the tire and become an unbalanced scenario. Hard to reuse them also and tire needs a lot of cleaning before it can be patched so a bit labor intensive plus the cost of the beads again. "Centramatic" wheel balancers are very good but a bit of up front cost and will last the life of the truck. Again these are beneficial if mostly highway miles. I tend to like the lead or iron weights that stick, or clamp on just as used on automobiles as they are easy to remove and reapply but not a lot of shops can dynamically balance large tires. I have found they offer the best balance all around.
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 53979 |
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I mounted the HF changer to an old wooden pallet, that you stand on when working on tires, that way your weight holds it down, and gives better leverage. Still hate doing them on hot days, the air seems to get pretty blue!
X2 on the lube, Ruglide. Also X2 on the balance beads, them damned things get in the valve core, also turn the air blue! Always handy, but not mentioned, for all size tires, bead blaster to seat beads, while you have the tire chucked to a compressor. It will however blow the small wheels and tires across the shop. Also a handy pants remover and scare device! ![]() Edited by DiyDave - 04 Jul 2023 at 4:55pm |
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24617 |
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I've got 2 of those HF changers(well from Princess Auto up here...) Put one onto 2by6 tubing that slides into the forklift forks.Now have a stable,solid place to work on.... Agree , the more 'slippery stuff', the better,faster tires come off or go on. I also use a 'bead sealant' now AFTER I clean BOTH rim bead and tire beads.
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Thad in AR. ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Arkansas Points: 9641 |
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I use a product called ride-on in my motorcycle tires. It’s a sealant and balances them.
I’m on my third set with it. |
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JW in MO ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Feb 2010 Location: South KC Area Points: 2663 |
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I bought a HF tire changer years ago and have used it quite a lot, from trailer tires to front tractor tires. I bought a bucket of Colt Soft Pellets at Walmart and have used them for years to balance tires, works well for me. Fighting a set of 16.9-28's now and yes, the right tire tools make a difference. I have an old tire iron that Dad coveted, I didn't understand why until I replaced the tires on the 35 Ford, that iron was made just for those split/solid ring tires. Edited by JW in MO - 04 Jul 2023 at 8:11pm |
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plummerscarin ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Jun 2015 Location: ia Points: 3894 |
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I lucked out. My cousin gave me a Coats #10 tire machine. As we loaded it he said "Watch out. That machine will throw the iron at you if you're not careful " I figured out why. It pushes oil through an orifice to control speed. It leaks so as long as oil level is maintained it works fine. Also a number of bars of different sizes and also got a set for truck tires. Used them to mount a pair of 18.4x38s. It's got to where tire shops around here won't work on anything unless you're buying new tires. Cousin also complained they scratched his wheels. One outfit broke one of mine beating it off the truck
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Walker ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: oh Points: 8915 |
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It don't do much for sealing beads but Murphy's Oil Soap sure do slickify em.
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plummerscarin ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Jun 2015 Location: ia Points: 3894 |
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Agreed. I use that also
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Codger ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2458 |
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Yes, many soap based products act as a lubricant. However as they dry they become tacky, or sticky like an adhesive. This makes breaking them down by hand more of a challenge.
Tire mounting lubricant marketed for the purpose does not do this.
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plummerscarin ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Jun 2015 Location: ia Points: 3894 |
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Murphy's is labeled as a tire lube
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8590 |
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I use veggie oil on tires for lube.Tubeless semi truck tires break down easily when mounted with it. The right dismount tool makes all the difference.
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truckerfarmer ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 2013 Location: Watertown, SD Points: 3280 |
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How do you determine how many to use? |
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'53 WD, '53 WD45, WD snap coupler field cultivator, #53 plow,'53 HD5B dozer Duct tape.... Can't fix stupidity. But will muffle the sound of it! |
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Codger ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2458 |
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Ray54 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4719 |
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I guess some days I just need stir people up. How many of you, do it yourself people use tire plugs?
I do and I don't. I have some that leak a little, had one come out 20 miles down the road. Had a ATV tire that plugs did not work it seemed. So I took it to a tire shop, they put a plug in it. I have had a old 1950's manual tire machine since the late 80's. Still works great for trailer and equipment tires. No so much for many of the newer autos. With the big offsets it doesn't have a tall enough center to put the nut on.But it did come with a add on to do old Ford model A wheels, and permission of the old owner to come use it at his convenience. But since he has now moved to Arizona, I don't expect to see him to often.
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plummerscarin ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Jun 2015 Location: ia Points: 3894 |
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Used to use them all the time. Not so much anymore after a couple took to leaking. Good for a fast fix but I usually patch ‘‘em now
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200Tom1 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Jun 2019 Location: Iowa Points: 1232 |
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I want to congratulate you guys on figuring out tire lube is far slicker than dish soap. I learned one day when we ran out of tire lube at my tire shop. I bought a big bottle of dish soap to use in the tire machines. We noticed immediately it was crap for mounting tires. I went to NAPA and bought a gallon of their lube. It was far better than dish soap. The slickest tire lube we found was Bowes Big Blue.
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Codger ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2458 |
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[QUOTE=200Tom1]I want to congratulate you guys on figuring out tire lube is far slicker than dish soap. I learned one day when we ran out of tire lube at my tire shop. I bought a big bottle of dish soap to use in the tire machines. We noticed immediately it was crap for mounting tires. I went to NAPA and bought a gallon of their lube. It was far better than dish soap. The slickest tire lube we found was Bowes Big Blue. [/QUOTE That right there is what I use. Leaves no residue difficult to clean up either. A garden hose will do the trick. I use either Bowes, or Tech patch plugs for flat repair also as they seal against the steel cords and do not allow them to rust from moisture intrusion through the puncture. Same with their rubber cement; never a failure following either manufacturers procedures.
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JW in MO ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Feb 2010 Location: South KC Area Points: 2663 |
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[/QUOTE] How do you determine how many to use?[/QUOTE] I measured the first one but have figured out that for trailer tires I just put a handful in, on my 17” truck tires I added about another half a handful. Drove that truck and camper halfway across the country and back with no issues. |
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PaulB ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 5073 |
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Not all of us are built like ballast and don't have your advantage
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
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plummerscarin ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Jun 2015 Location: ia Points: 3894 |
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Weight doesn't matter. Your standing on the platform that the changer is secured to. No different than if standing on the ground with it secured to a post. And its portable.
I remember a tech tip article in an ag magazine about a ground post. Sink a large corner post in the ground and cut to desired working height to attach vise,anvil, pipe bender or even a tire changer to it Edited by plummerscarin - 06 Jul 2023 at 9:33pm |
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Codger ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2458 |
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Same theory I use with a Wilton bench vise bolted to a jig that slides into a receiver hitch and you drive wedges into the slack so it's rigid. Works so much better when the vise is held stationary.
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BroseVino ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 24 Jul 2023 Location: USA Points: 6 |
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Been there with tire bars, definitely a workout. Got a little manual changer too, and yeah, proper lube makes all the difference—no way I’d try without it now. Ceramic balancing beads sound cool; never thought about those for my truck tires. Once, when I was renting truck for moving, the rental place pointed me to a shop that used them, and the ride felt way smoother after.
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TedN ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 30 Apr 2025 Location: Central WA Points: 71 |
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Interesting to read that I'm not the only one doing my own tires. I have the Harbor Freight tire changer mounted to a pallet, but rarely use it anymore. I think the last time I used it was for breaking beads. I run the balance beads, buy ecobalance from Amazon, and they have a chart online for how much to use. I have OTC spoons both 30" and 36", the shorter ones have one blunt end so you can persuade them a little to get between the tire and wheel. I have a bottle of tire lube that I use for mounting, and I use silicone spray lube for dismounting. I have a bead blaster but usually use bicycle tubes if I have problems seating a bead, spray them wwith silicone and stuff them in the gap. If you don't get them out in time just let the air out after the bead is seated and they'll pull right out. Recently switched from plugs to a plug/patch combination, seals the inside good and seals the cords from water intrusion. Just did some 14-17.5 harobed fronts last weekend, I think they were the hardest tires that I have done so far.
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BuckSkin ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2019 Location: Poor Farm Points: 877 |
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I have had Centramatics on my truck for years and highly recommend them; just don't mix Centramatics with any of the other "balancing tricks" such as loose stuff, whether liquid or dry, as the two will work against one another and make matters worse. I had one drive tire that was terribly dipped before adding the Centramatics; that tire was straightened out and running smooth within five thousand miles. Some truckers swear by putting in a dozen or so golf balls. Some swear by pouring in a couple quarts of full strength anti-freeze. I haven't balanced a smaller tire in many years = they rarely need it. Just watch someone that knows what they are doing balancing small tires on a machine and notice how little weight they add to zero out the machine; not enough to even make a difference. With small tires, I just put them on the wheel, air them up, bolt them on, and roll; I never feel any need to balance. Maybe way back in the days of recap tires a balance was necessary, but no more. Tire shops have made a fortune from people paying to have tires balanced and most tire monkeys have no idea what they are doing anyway.
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BuckSkin ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2019 Location: Poor Farm Points: 877 |
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Any vegetable based oil is actually recommended as it will not attack and degrade the rubber; avoid petroleum products as they will attack the rubber. I use soybean oil applied with an inch-wide paint brush. I just steal some from the kitchen. "Pam" cooking spray, generic or the real deal, works well also.
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 6066 |
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I have an HF manual tire changer... both the full size, anchored to the barn floor, and the one for small equipment mounted to a bench... they both work fine... But I haven't used 'em since I got the Ranger tilt-back tire changing machine. I don't waste time with tire beads... while they WILL help alleviate balance issues above 45mph or so, they just beat up the inside of the tire carcass at any other speed. I can just as easily give it a proper balance with the Snap-on multi-axis balancer and call it done. As added boot- I can easily see any tire runout on any point on the tire, which will clue me in to problems before ever mounting it on the vehicle.
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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
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klinemar ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Michigan Points: 8052 |
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I bought a Harbor Freight manual tire changer and secured it to concrete shop floor with red head anchors.( That way I know it's not going anywhere!) I don't change or repair highway tires. Just wagon,implement or front tractor. Some beads are welded to the rim and I get creative.My 25 ton log splitter will usually break the bead by using 2 wooden blocks. When baling hay on weekends and the tire shops are closed,it has saved my hay crop several times!
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Ray54 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4719 |
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I have been fixing tires since 1975. Dad got gooseneck stock trailer. Way more flats on that thing, narrow country roads so was always close the shoulder were the tire flattening junk is the thickest. A friend over the hill had old manual tire machine. Still use tubes on most of the trailer wheels today. Got were we had a whole set of spares for that thing.
We do most farm work with crawlers, but had a wheel tractor that ended up needing flats fixed too. Then a 1960 Chey C60 with slit rims, never had one come apart. But prompted me to get clip on tire chuck. Have friend and neighbor that believe you should do as much of your repair work as possible. We bought a combine together, so we fixed all our own combine tires too. Never fixed all that many tires but have delt with many obsolete by now wheels that tire shop would not touch. But hopefully I am done with real obsolete stuff. The worst I ever got into was replacing a 16.1 flotation tire on the hay baler. A 3 string baler so bigger tires than your standard 2 string baler. The way this baler is you need to keep original wheel with the offset. Had just discovered the super cheap used airplane tires, they were selling mounted on ag wheels. They warned me it would be a fight and I would need a tube in it. It took all afternoon but with a second person and a backhoe to hold the wheel down, we got it mounted. another that was a surprise as to how hard it would be was the first Polaris ATV tire we fixed. But my son was taking it off the worry side of the wheel. Never had many tire that needed to be balanced. When they do I took them to town. Other than pushing a quick plug in I think my tire fixing days are done. Just hurts to much moving any more. Danged old warn out body.
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