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Topic: D.Y.O. tire repair
Posted By: truckerfarmer
Subject: D.Y.O. tire repair
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 10:02am
Do Your Own tire repair.

Instead of hijacking Thad's post, I figured I would start a new one.
Many of us do our own tire repair. I started doing my own a few years ago. Was doing it the old fashioned way with a couple bars levering them on and off. Finally bought a set of truck tire bars. Made things much better, but still a lot of work. Then by a fluke of luck I acquired a Harbor Freight mini tire changer that someone threw away. By chance at the time I was working on some peddle carts for my grandsons that had 4", 6" and 10" rims. If anyone has ever tried to dismount or mount one of those size tires, you know what a pain they can be. That thing works slicker than snot on a doorknob. I could put in a new tube in under 5 minutes.
I had been debating about the manual tire changer from Harbor Freight for some time. This was enough to convince me to pull the trigger. One of the best $50 I've spent. Instead of pouring concrete to mount it permanently, I lag bolt it to the floor of a trailer when I need to use it. Makes for a nice open work space, and makes a portable tire shop. Can go right out to the field, instead of having to load the tire up, haul it home, repair it, load it again, and haul it back to the field.
I know some of the reviews and YouTube videos about the manual tire changers are bad. But after watching many of the videos, the people complaining don't have a clue what they are doing. Most of them don't properly lube the tire beads. They fail to lube the inner side of the second bead. And instead of messing with soapy water or something like WD-40, invest in a jug of tire lube. About $10 for a gallon. I put it in an empty 80-90 bottle. Makes it easy to drizzle around the bead, and smear it around for a good coverage.
As for balancing, I use ceramic balancing beads. No need for weights or a balancing machine or bubble balancer. At first I was leary about them actually working. But one time had a new set of steer tires mounted on a semi and they didn't put beads in. It was like pushing a log chain. Went back next week and they put beads in, and could let go of the wheel and went straight down the road. I now use them in all my vehicles, truck, pickup even wife's Yukon with pressure sensors. I get them at local truck parts store,(Wheelco). Just tell them tire size. They have a chart that tells what size pouch is needed. Just throw the pouch in when you mount the tire.

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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 1:23pm
ALMOST did Balance beads when installed the tires on the KW, Should have done it as low expense.  Have one or more that have a speed harmonic bounce, 64-66 and again at 70-74.  


Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 1:49pm
I ran the beads in trucks that seen a lot of highway service miles. Not really a good setup for vocational work I've found that are low speed or subject to flats. The valve stems are of a special type for the beads and you must use very dry air or they can clump inside the tire and become an unbalanced scenario. Hard to reuse them also and tire needs a lot of cleaning before it can be patched so a bit labor intensive plus the cost of the beads again.

"Centramatic" wheel balancers are very good but a bit of up front cost and will last the life of the truck. Again these are beneficial if mostly highway miles. I tend to like the lead or iron weights that stick, or clamp on just as used on automobiles as they are easy to remove and reapply but not a lot of shops can dynamically balance large tires. I have found they offer the best balance all around.


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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 4:53pm
I mounted the HF changer to an old wooden pallet, that you stand on when working on tires, that way your weight holds it down, and gives better leverage.  Still hate doing them on hot days, the air seems to get pretty blue!

X2 on the lube, Ruglide.

Also X2 on the balance beads, them damned things get in the valve core, also turn the air blue! 

Always handy, but not mentioned, for all size tires, bead blaster to seat beads, while you have the tire chucked to a compressor.  It will however blow the small wheels and tires across the shop.  Also a handy pants remover and scare device!Wink

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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 5:29pm
I've got 2 of those HF changers(well from Princess Auto up here...)  Put one onto 2by6 tubing that slides into the forklift forks.Now have a stable,solid place to work on....
Agree , the more 'slippery stuff', the better,faster tires come off or go on.
I also use a 'bead sealant' now AFTER I clean BOTH rim bead and tire beads.


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Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 6:52pm
I use a product called ride-on in my motorcycle tires. It’s a sealant and balances them.
I’m on my third set with it.


Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 8:03pm
I bought a HF tire changer years ago and have used it quite a lot, from trailer tires to front tractor tires.  I bought a bucket of Colt Soft Pellets at Walmart and have used them for years to balance tires, works well for me.  Fighting a set of 16.9-28's now and yes, the right tire tools make a difference.  I have an old tire iron that Dad coveted, I didn't understand why until I replaced the tires on the 35 Ford, that iron was made just for those split/solid ring tires.




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Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 8:27pm
I lucked out. My cousin gave me a Coats #10 tire machine. As we loaded it he said "Watch out. That machine will throw the iron at you if you're not careful " I figured out why. It pushes oil through an orifice to control speed. It leaks so as long as oil level is maintained it works fine. Also a number of bars of different sizes and also got a set for truck tires. Used them to mount a pair of 18.4x38s. It's got to where tire shops around here won't work on anything unless you're buying new tires. Cousin also complained they scratched his wheels. One outfit broke one of mine beating it off the truck


Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 9:09pm
It don't do much for sealing beads but Murphy's Oil Soap sure do slickify em.


Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2023 at 7:10am
Agreed. I use that also


Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2023 at 7:50am
Yes, many soap based products act as a lubricant. However as they dry they become tacky, or sticky like an adhesive. This makes breaking them down by hand more of a challenge. 

Tire mounting lubricant marketed for the purpose does not do this. 


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Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2023 at 9:20am
Murphy's is labeled as a tire lube


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2023 at 9:53am
I use veggie oil on tires for lube.Tubeless semi truck tires break down easily when mounted with it. The right dismount tool makes all the difference.


Posted By: truckerfarmer
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2023 at 9:37pm
Originally posted by JW in MO JW in MO wrote:

I bought a HF tire changer years ago and have used it quite a lot, from trailer tires to front tractor tires.  I bought a bucket of Colt Soft Pellets at Walmart and have used them for years to balance tires, works well for me.  Fighting a set of 16.9-28's now and yes, the right tire tools make a difference.  I have an old tire iron that Dad coveted, I didn't understand why until I replaced the tires on the 35 Ford, that iron was made just for those split/solid ring tires.




How do you determine how many to use?

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Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2023 at 6:38am
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Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2023 at 11:09am
I guess some days I just need stir people up. How many of you, do it yourself people use tire plugs? 

I do and I don't. I have some that leak a little, had one come out 20 miles down the road. Had a ATV tire that plugs did not work it seemed. So I took it to a tire shop, they put a plug in it.

I have had a old 1950's manual tire machine since the late 80's.  Still works great for trailer and equipment tires. No so much for many of the newer autos. With the big offsets it doesn't have a tall enough center to put the nut on.But it did come with a add on to do old Ford model A wheels, and permission of the old owner to come use it at his convenience. But since he has now moved to Arizona, I don't expect to see him to often.


Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2023 at 11:48am
Used to use them all the time. Not so much anymore after a couple took to leaking. Good for a fast fix but I usually patch ‘‘em now


Posted By: 200Tom1
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2023 at 2:26pm
I want to congratulate you guys on figuring out tire lube is far slicker than dish soap. I learned one day when we ran out of tire lube at my tire shop. I bought a big bottle of dish soap to use in the tire machines. We noticed immediately it was crap for mounting tires. I went to NAPA and bought a gallon of their lube. It was far better than dish soap. The slickest tire lube we found was Bowes Big Blue.


Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2023 at 2:55pm
[QUOTE=200Tom1]I want to congratulate you guys on figuring out tire lube is far slicker than dish soap. I learned one day when we ran out of tire lube at my tire shop. I bought a big bottle of dish soap to use in the tire machines. We noticed immediately it was crap for mounting tires. I went to NAPA and bought a gallon of their lube. It was far better than dish soap. The slickest tire lube we found was Bowes Big Blue. [/QUOTE

That right there is what I use. Leaves no residue difficult to clean up either. A garden hose will do the trick. I use either Bowes, or Tech patch plugs for flat repair also as they seal against the steel cords and do not allow them to rust from moisture intrusion through the puncture. Same with their rubber cement; never a failure following either manufacturers procedures.


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Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2023 at 3:48pm

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How do you determine how many to use?[/QUOTE]
I measured the first one but have figured out that for trailer tires I just put a handful in, on my 17” truck tires I added about another half a handful. Drove that truck and camper halfway across the country and back with no issues.

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Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2023 at 6:23pm
Originally posted by DiyDave DiyDave wrote:

I mounted the HF changer to an old wooden pallet, that you stand on when working on tires, that way your weight holds it down,
 
Not all of us are built like ballast and don't have your advantage


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Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2023 at 9:25pm
Weight doesn't matter. Your standing on the platform that the changer is secured to. No different than if standing on the ground with it secured to a post. And its portable.
I remember a tech tip article in an ag magazine about a ground post. Sink a large corner post in the ground and cut to desired working height to attach vise,anvil, pipe bender or even a tire changer to it


Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2023 at 9:54pm
Originally posted by plummerscarin plummerscarin wrote:

Weight doesn't matter. Your standing on the platform that the changer is secured to. No different than if standing on the ground with it secured to a post. And its portable.
I remember a tech tip article in an ag magazine about a ground post. Sink a large corner post in the ground and cut to desired working height to attach vise,anvil, pipe bender or even a tire changer to it


Same theory I use with a Wilton bench vise bolted to a jig that slides into a receiver hitch and you drive wedges into the slack so it's rigid. Works so much better when the vise is held stationary.


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Posted By: BroseVino
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2025 at 7:19am
Been there with tire bars, definitely a workout. Got a little manual changer too, and yeah, proper lube makes all the difference—no way I’d try without it now. Ceramic balancing beads sound cool; never thought about those for my truck tires. Once, when I was http://https://pneusquebec.net/location-de-camion-montreal/" rel="nofollow - renting truck for moving , the rental place pointed me to a shop that used them, and the ride felt way smoother after. 


Posted By: TedN
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2025 at 9:23am
Interesting to read that I'm not the only one doing my own tires. I have the Harbor Freight tire changer mounted to a pallet, but rarely use it anymore. I think the last time I used it was for breaking beads. I run the balance beads, buy ecobalance from Amazon, and they have a chart online for how much to use. I have OTC spoons both 30" and 36", the shorter ones have one blunt end so you can persuade them a little to get between the tire and wheel. I have a bottle of tire lube that I use for mounting, and I use silicone spray lube for dismounting. I have a bead blaster but usually use bicycle tubes if I have problems seating a bead, spray them wwith silicone and stuff them in the gap. If you don't get them out in time just let the air out after the bead is seated and they'll pull right out. Recently switched from plugs to a plug/patch combination, seals the inside good and seals the cords from water intrusion. Just did some 14-17.5 harobed fronts last weekend, I think they were the hardest tires that I have done so far.

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Posted By: BuckSkin
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2025 at 4:56pm
Originally posted by Codger Codger wrote:


"Centramatic" wheel balancers are very good

I have had Centramatics on my truck for years and highly recommend them; just don't mix Centramatics with any of the other "balancing tricks" such as loose stuff, whether liquid or dry, as the two will work against one another and make matters worse.

I had one drive tire that was terribly dipped before adding the Centramatics; that tire was straightened out and running smooth within five thousand miles.

Some truckers swear by putting in a dozen or so golf balls.

Some swear by pouring in a couple quarts of full strength anti-freeze.

I haven't balanced a smaller tire in many years = they rarely need it.

Just watch someone that knows what they are doing balancing small tires on a machine and notice how little weight they add to zero out the machine; not enough to even make a difference.

With small tires, I just put them on the wheel, air them up, bolt them on, and roll; I never feel any need to balance.

Maybe way back in the days of recap tires a balance was necessary, but no more.

Tire shops have made a fortune from people paying to have tires balanced and most tire monkeys have no idea what they are doing anyway.


Posted By: BuckSkin
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2025 at 5:04pm
Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

I use veggie oil on tires for lube.

Any vegetable based oil is actually recommended as it will not attack and degrade the rubber; avoid petroleum products as they will attack the rubber.

I use soybean oil applied with an inch-wide paint brush.

I just steal some from the kitchen.

"Pam" cooking spray, generic or the real deal, works well also.


Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2025 at 1:34am
I have an HF manual tire changer... both the full size, anchored to the barn floor, and the one for small equipment mounted to a bench... they both work fine...

But I haven't used 'em since I got the Ranger tilt-back tire changing machine.

I don't waste time with tire beads... while they WILL help alleviate balance issues above 45mph or so, they just beat up the inside of the tire carcass at any other speed.  I can just as easily give it a proper balance with the Snap-on multi-axis balancer and call it done.  As added boot- I can easily see any tire runout on any point on the tire, which will clue me in to problems before ever mounting it on the vehicle.


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Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2025 at 7:31am
I bought a Harbor Freight manual tire changer and secured it to concrete shop floor with red head anchors.( That way I know it's not going anywhere!) I don't change or repair highway tires. Just wagon,implement or front tractor. Some beads are welded to the rim and I get creative.My 25 ton log splitter will usually break the bead by using 2 wooden blocks. When baling hay on weekends and the tire shops are closed,it has saved my hay crop several times!


Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2025 at 12:05pm
I have been fixing tires since 1975. Dad got gooseneck stock trailer. Way more flats on that thing, narrow country roads so was always close the shoulder were the tire flattening junk is the thickest. A friend over the hill had old manual tire machine. Still use tubes on most of the trailer wheels today. Got were we had a whole set of spares for that thing.


We do most farm work with crawlers, but had a wheel tractor that ended up needing flats fixed too. Then a 1960 Chey C60 with slit rims, never had one come apart. But prompted me to get clip on tire chuck.

Have friend and neighbor that believe you should do as much of your repair work as possible. We bought a combine together, so we fixed all our own combine tires too.

Never fixed all that many tires but have delt with many obsolete by now wheels that tire shop would not touch. But hopefully I am done with real obsolete stuff. 

The worst I ever got into was replacing a 16.1 flotation tire on the hay baler.  A 3 string baler so bigger tires than your standard 2 string baler. The way this baler is you need to keep original wheel with the offset. Had just discovered the super cheap used airplane tires, they were selling mounted on ag wheels. They warned me it would be a fight and I would need a tube in it. It took all afternoon but with a second person and a backhoe to hold the wheel down, we got it mounted. another that was a surprise as to how hard it would be was the first Polaris ATV tire we fixed. But my son was taking it off the worry side of the wheel.

Never had many tire that needed to be balanced. When they do I took them to town.

Other than pushing a quick plug in I think my tire fixing days are done. Just hurts to much moving any more. Danged old warn out body.


Posted By: BuckSkin
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2025 at 12:57pm
Originally posted by Ray54 Ray54 wrote:

super cheap used airplane tires

Growing up in a huge tire shop in farm country, I got to learn a lot about those used airplane tires.

On an airplane, they are on those wheels that have two halves that bolt together; they were never meant to be on a single-piece implement wheel.

The huge downfall to them that many fail to recognize and understand is the tire bead is much thicker than the bead surface on a standard wheel; therefore, most of that huge unforgiving sharp-edged bead is sticking way out over the wheel's bead shoulder; perfectly placed to play havoc with a tissue-thin agricultural tube.

If you are going to use airplane tires, there are places that sell them already mounted on a wheel === buy from them, wheel and all, and buy them TUBELESS --- then, before ever using them, take them somewhere that knows what they are doing and have them foam-filled.

Mounted tubeless and foam-filled, they will wear out the equipment they are on and the next replacement piece of equipment as well.


Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2025 at 8:09am
Originally posted by BuckSkin BuckSkin wrote:

If you are going to use airplane tires...   

...take them somewhere that knows what they are doing and have them foam-filled...

...they will wear out the equipment they are on and the next replacement piece of equipment as well.


THE Truth.  They will be impervious to absolutely positively everything but sunlight and gravity... and you'll get every penny's worth out of that foam investment.


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Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2025 at 8:54am
I remember my dad buying a set of mounted airplane tires for the E Gleaner combine one very wet year back in the 60’s. He then added chains to get the corn out. He later said he’d been better off leaving it until it froze as he tore up more muding it out than he would have just waiting, of course, sitting around waiting isn’t something farmers come by naturally.

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Posted By: TedN
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2025 at 9:20am
My grandad had a LeTourneau earthmover that we pulled behind a IH TD24. It used bomber tires(can't recall which one) that if I remember right were 120 ply. For a long time there was a warehouse at the local closed airbase that had a stock of them, but they would have to go to the tire shop that in turn would send them off to have the bore shaved so they would fit the wheels. Definitely heavier tires than ag use. Not sure I would want them on something like a baler or combine, the tire is the only suspension it has so you want a little give. Probably be okay on tillage equipment though.

Ted

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