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    Posted: 20 Apr 2021 at 7:07am
About a year ago I found my D 15 has a bent rear axle shaft and a chipped bull gear tooth . I now have a good donor that I plan to put new seals , etc in and then swap the final drive out . I'm sure to have questions along the way . Thanks in advance !
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While a strong strap sling will support it, I made a steel  one, bolts to the FD. Made it easier to get the right height and 'angles' to slide it back in....
I have an overhead beam, trolleys and chain hoists...make the job pleasant....
I will take pictures IF I can find the silly 'jig'......

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And new brakes
He who dies with the most toys is,
nonetheless ,still dead.
If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED.
Just because you do not have the tools for job , it dose not make it a bad design.
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Thanks Jay and Fred . I did the brakes when I pulled the final drive last year . Have the donor bull gear and bearings out now . Next up is the pinion shaft . So far , so good .
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I'm sure you are knowledgeable of this but, you should only do one side at a time.  Put it all back together and then the other side.
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Yeah thanks John . I'm just doing the left side .
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Having a hard time getting the lock ring off the pinion shaft that's behind the brake drum . Anyone have any advice ? Thanks !
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Cut it off with cut off grinder wheel. Then use new snap ring.          MACK
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Thanks Mack ! Didn't think about that .
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Seems kinda expensive to me . Agco lists that lock ring for $22 . Still don't have mine off but haven't cut it yet . Thanks
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been looking at the drawings, the snapring seems like an 'infernal' one.... maybe 2 slotted screwdrivers, to pry it up ,once you get it started, 'tease' it out of the slot ? Never had mine that far apart.....
it looks easier than doing my taxes though..... 4 hrs labour AND I had to pay.....
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Jay

Those 'F n T' keys do look similar, don't they ! F..N thing.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ACinSC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 4:24pm
I actually have my favorite son's lock ring pliers . Haven't done the trick yet , but I'll keep trying .
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ALLIS did not make snap rings ... they bought them as hardware.. Do the same.
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Yeah Steve . Plan to ask Brenda if they have a generic lock ring when I order the bearings and seals . Thanks
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ALLIS will charge 5 x as much as you can get one at the hardware store.

ALLIS did not make bearings or seals either..


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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Have wondered if Napa could match bearings and seals if I have a number ? Thanks
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My favorite son posted a picture for me . Hard to believe that something this size could be bent . This is the good one . Thanks
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Here's the 'final drive lifting plate' in action ! Simple really, flat plate of steel with 6 holes, 2" sq tubing about a foot long, with 2 'eyes' welded to it. With 2 chain hoists I can get it 'aligned' very well to slide back on. chain hoists are on trolleys on an overhead 8" Ibeam. yellow tubing are '1x2 spacers'. It's a lot safer than the single sling,easy 1 man operation.
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That's a nice setup Jay . I'll just use the wide strap I have . I'm still redoing the donor final drive and a long way from installing it . Thanks for sharing !
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Finally got the lock ring off . Came off easy after I cut it , like Mack suggested . Now to remove these 2 bearings and the seal . Thanks !
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Originally posted by ACinSC ACinSC wrote:

Have wondered if Napa could match bearings and seals if I have a number ? Thanks

 Google Motion Industries store locator. Take your old bearings and seals with and they will match them up. The best 'bang for your buck' in my opinion.
http://www.ae-ta.com
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Thanks , Charles . May check them out if I can ever get this last bearing off .
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FYI the seals on the diff case where the axle goes in are National #471765. You can put TWO of them in place of the 'wider' OEM ones. This should prevent oil from getting onto the brake shoes....
Sad thing is I have 2 sitting here in front on me....
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The seals Jay mention can also be had as SKF 12458. I only used one per side and had no leaks... been several years now.
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I tossed (er, carefully installed...) two in per side  on the theory they'd be on 'new' part of the shafting, 2 is better than 1 and ,well, only $4 a piece and I 'hopefully' won't ever have 'wet' brakes again.........
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Thanks Jay and Eric . Think I bought a extra seal last time . Now if I can only find it .
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2nd drawer down on the left...
er.
no, 3rd drawer,
hmm
maybe 3rd on the right
no wait, it's on the btm of the right upper cabinet,yeah, a um...
dang ! 'someone' removed that cabinet to make room for 'stuff' from next door.
sigh......
NOW I know WHY those seals are in front of me !!!
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Maybe we're on a different page ? My old seal is National 50055 L 60 . Gonna check the Agco site and see what they list . THANKS !
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