D 15 final drive
Printed From: Unofficial Allis
Category: Allis Chalmers
Forum Name: Farm Equipment
Forum Description: everything about Allis-Chalmers farm equipment
URL: https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=179963
Printed Date: 20 Apr 2024 at 6:22am
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 11.10 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: D 15 final drive
Posted By: ACinSC
Subject: D 15 final drive
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2021 at 7:07am
| About a year ago I found my D 15 has a bent rear axle shaft and a chipped bull gear tooth . I now have a good donor that I plan to put new seals , etc in and then swap the final drive out . I'm sure to have questions along the way . Thanks in advance ! |
Replies:
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2021 at 8:34am
|
While a strong strap sling will support it, I made a steel one, bolts to the FD. Made it easier to get the right height and 'angles' to slide it back in.... I have an overhead beam, trolleys and chain hoists...make the job pleasant.... I will take pictures IF I can find the silly 'jig'...... Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2021 at 11:04am
|
And new brakes ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. Just because you do not have the tools for job , it dose not make it a bad design. |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2021 at 11:46am
| Thanks Jay and Fred . I did the brakes when I pulled the final drive last year . Have the donor bull gear and bearings out now . Next up is the pinion shaft . So far , so good . |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2021 at 11:59am
|
I'm sure you are knowledgeable of this but, you should only do one side at a time. Put it all back together and then the other side. ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2021 at 3:42pm
| Yeah thanks John . I'm just doing the left side . |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 6:36am
| Having a hard time getting the lock ring off the pinion shaft that's behind the brake drum . Anyone have any advice ? Thanks ! |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 7:14am
| Cut it off with cut off grinder wheel. Then use new snap ring. MACK |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 7:45am
| Thanks Mack ! Didn't think about that . |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 2:40pm
| Seems kinda expensive to me . Agco lists that lock ring for $22 . Still don't have mine off but haven't cut it yet . Thanks |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 3:01pm
|
been looking at the drawings, the snapring seems like an 'infernal' one.... maybe 2 slotted screwdrivers, to pry it up ,once you get it started, 'tease' it out of the slot ? Never had mine that far apart..... it looks easier than doing my taxes though..... 4 hrs labour AND I had to pay..... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 4:12pm
|
Jay Those 'F n T' keys do look similar, don't they ! F..N thing. G |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 4:24pm
| I actually have my favorite son's lock ring pliers . Haven't done the trick yet , but I'll keep trying . |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 4:50pm
|
ALLIS did not make snap rings ... they bought them as hardware.. Do the same. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 4:59pm
| Yeah Steve . Plan to ask Brenda if they have a generic lock ring when I order the bearings and seals . Thanks |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 5:14pm
|
ALLIS will charge 5 x as much as you can get one at the hardware store.
ALLIS did not make bearings or seals either.. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 5:18pm
| Have wondered if Napa could match bearings and seals if I have a number ? Thanks |
Posted By: WeisAC2
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 5:18pm
|
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 7:13pm
| My favorite son posted a picture for me . Hard to believe that something this size could be bent . This is the good one . Thanks |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2021 at 6:16pm
 Here's the 'final drive lifting plate' in action ! Simple really, flat plate of steel with 6 holes, 2" sq tubing about a foot long, with 2 'eyes' welded to it. With 2 chain hoists I can get it 'aligned' very well to slide back on. chain hoists are on trolleys on an overhead 8" Ibeam. yellow tubing are '1x2 spacers'. It's a lot safer than the single sling,easy 1 man operation.Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2021 at 6:54pm
| That's a nice setup Jay . I'll just use the wide strap I have . I'm still redoing the donor final drive and a long way from installing it . Thanks for sharing ! |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2021 at 10:54am
| Finally got the lock ring off . Came off easy after I cut it , like Mack suggested . Now to remove these 2 bearings and the seal . Thanks ! |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2021 at 9:24am
Google Motion Industries store locator. Take your old bearings and seals with and they will match them up. The best 'bang for your buck' in my opinion. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
ACinSC wrote:Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2021 at 11:17am
| Thanks , Charles . May check them out if I can ever get this last bearing off . |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2021 at 11:27am
|
FYI the seals on the diff case where the axle goes in are National #471765. You can put TWO of them in place of the 'wider' OEM ones. This should prevent oil from getting onto the brake shoes.... Sad thing is I have 2 sitting here in front on me.... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Eric B
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2021 at 11:48am
|
The seals Jay mention can also be had as SKF 12458. I only used one per side and had no leaks... been several years now. ------------- Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal! |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2021 at 12:38pm
|
I tossed (er, carefully installed...) two in per side on the theory they'd be on 'new' part of the shafting, 2 is better than 1 and ,well, only $4 a piece and I 'hopefully' won't ever have 'wet' brakes again......... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2021 at 12:41pm
| Thanks Jay and Eric . Think I bought a extra seal last time . Now if I can only find it . |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2021 at 12:45pm
|
2nd drawer down on the left... er. no, 3rd drawer, hmm maybe 3rd on the right no wait, it's on the btm of the right upper cabinet,yeah, a um... dang ! 'someone' removed that cabinet to make room for 'stuff' from next door. sigh...... NOW I know WHY those seals are in front of me !!! ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2021 at 2:31pm
| Maybe we're on a different page ? My old seal is National 50055 L 60 . Gonna check the Agco site and see what they list . THANKS ! |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2021 at 3:48pm
|
my seal is for the diff case NOT the big 'bull gear /tire' shaft... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 01 May 2021 at 5:38am
| Yeah Jay , this is the upper pinion shaft seal . I knocked it out with a piece of 1.5" PVC pipe . Thanks |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 02 May 2021 at 11:58am
| Have the donor final drive on my engine stand . Ran a 3/8-16 tap in the bull gear oil pan holes . Always try to do that and also use new bolts . Crazy how much trash was in the threads . Who knows what's happened over 60 years , I guess . I plan to install the bull gear with new bearings and a seal first while I can rotate it upside down , then I'll do the pinion shaft . I'm hoping that's a good plan . Thanks ! |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 02 May 2021 at 4:53pm
| Do the pinion shaft first. |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 02 May 2021 at 7:13pm
| Okay thanks Dr Allis . |
Posted By: WeisAC2
Date Posted: 03 May 2021 at 5:42am
|
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 03 May 2021 at 11:42am
| Thanks to my fav son for posting a pic ! While this is on my stand I'm gonna hit it with a little paint . Won't be perfect but it'll look some better . Thanks ! |
Posted By: WeisAC2
Date Posted: 04 May 2021 at 1:12pm
|
Posted By: Eric B
Date Posted: 04 May 2021 at 2:38pm
|
Very nice paint job!! Which paint do you use? ------------- Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal! |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 04 May 2021 at 3:13pm
| Kinda hate to admit it , but it's just Rust-Oleum Allis Chalmers orange spray paint . Think it's Corporate orange ? THANKS ! |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 05 May 2021 at 11:09am
| About ready to order parts and have a question . Agco site lists a 70244961 pinion shaft outer bearing seal . My service manual doesn't show one and my pinion shaft didn't have one , only had the inner seal 70261958V . Anyone else run into this ? THANKS ! |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 08 May 2021 at 4:22pm
| I ordered both pinion shaft seals . Rather have an extra than be short one . Plan to pack my bearings and with wheel bearing grease unless someone else has a better idea . Thanks |