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Posted: 30 Sep 2014 at 12:55am |
going to start documenting my 616 as we work our way through it. So far it's been fairly cheap.
616 tractor no engine or deck $70
nos onan 19.5hp $500
original mower deck needing restoraion $100
original not stuck 3pt top link $20
original running 616 parts engine $50
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coggonobrien
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Posted: 30 Sep 2014 at 12:57am |
parts motor
nos onan 19.5hp
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Posted: 30 Sep 2014 at 12:58am |
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Posted: 30 Sep 2014 at 12:59am |
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i've got a 620 lined up i need to pick up soon as a parts tractor, it has rear pto, front hydraulics, another deck, a single bottom plow, and a dozer blade
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Posted: 30 Sep 2014 at 1:02am |
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also need to dissasemble the brakes, right seems to be seized up. will get to that after harvest then we will throw the motor in and see what else is wrong once it's running.
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Posted: 08 Oct 2014 at 7:01am |
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Cog,
Any progress on your project 616? Just curious.
Steve@B&B
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Posted: 08 Oct 2014 at 9:48am |
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no progress, in the field now and I work in town. just collecting parts and will hit it hard when the snow fly's with the goal of having it ready to mow come spring
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Posted: 14 Nov 2014 at 12:38pm |
Got some tires so it will be back on it's own feet. Front's were $160 for the pair installed, rear's were $100 for the pair on wheels. New Carlylse's on blasted and painted original rims  Perfect original tires on original rims, will eventually be blasted and painted  
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Posted: 17 Nov 2014 at 12:28am |
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Posted: 17 Nov 2014 at 9:21am |
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Hey Cog! You're gettin' there. Little by little. Now ya need ta' git' that engine set up. You're farther ahead than I am with my 620. Keep rollin' !
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Posted: 17 Nov 2014 at 11:10am |
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I want one someday!!! Or a 620, or a 720.......a miniature 190 :)
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Posted: 13 Dec 2014 at 6:12pm |
well she's on the move, hauling down to dad's insulated shop to start the motor install. wish me luck. 
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Posted: 14 Dec 2014 at 11:14pm |
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Posted: 29 Dec 2014 at 5:36pm |
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Cog! Did ya git' that motor set up and fired yet? Just curious!
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Posted: 29 Dec 2014 at 7:23pm |
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Cog,
That is a nice looking garden tractor. I would drive that!
Looking forward to your restoration work.
Regards,
Chris
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Posted: 30 Dec 2014 at 12:16am |
no updates yet, just rounding up some parts for the engine install. Did get new blades, bearings, cups, and seals for the deck for christmas so I will be dismanteling that and blasting the shell, repairing some minor rust and reassembling. should hopefully start on the motor Wednesday.
David
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Posted: 02 Jan 2015 at 6:10pm |
started stripping the good engine tonight. pictures to come. anybody recognize this pulley? was thrown in with the tractor when I bought it and has paint marker on it saying either 616 or 919. David  
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Posted: 05 Jan 2015 at 12:18am |
made a little progress while i was installing a tank heater on our skid loader.
big a## fly wheel be gone
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Posted: 05 Jan 2015 at 12:19am |
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i plan on swapping the ring gear over to the flywheel from the donor 616 engine assuming they are the same size since the teal engine is nos
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Posted: 08 Jan 2015 at 9:40am |
pulled the cover and fly wheel off the parts motor today. looks like the ring gear's are the same so I will be transferring the unused one over to the correct fly wheel.  anybody know how to safely remove this guy so I can transfer it? 
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Posted: 08 Jan 2015 at 12:39pm |
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David, the pulley looks like the center main pulley on the mower deck of my 720. When I bought mine it had another pulley with it just like this one but a lot smaller in diameter. Don't know if they had different sizes for different mower speeds or not but not figured out anything else.
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Posted: 08 Jan 2015 at 2:28pm |
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Gently take the 4 screws out that hold it to the block. That's how I removed mine to clean all the grass and crap out of the stator. Looks like that one has the same issues. Needs a good cleanup. Mine came right off Dave. I didn't have any problem with it. Inspect the stator wires for breaks or rub-thoughs. The wires on mine had a couple nicked spots. Its all repaired and ready to reinstall now.
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Posted: 08 Jan 2015 at 5:00pm |
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Thanks guys.
Steve what's the proper way to clean the stator
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Posted: 09 Jan 2015 at 6:23am |
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Dave,
I cleaned mine with Brakekleen and a new toothbrush. Got in the nooks n' crannys with the toothbrush, and washed it all out with the straw that comes with the Brakekleen. Came out like new. Then I cleaned the stator tips with a scotchbrite pad to get any corrosion or years of crap off of em'. Inspect the Magnets in the flywheel also to make sure they're still intact. I cleaned the flywheel all out to. Went through a can of Brakekleen between the two pieces...
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Posted: 09 Jan 2015 at 9:22am |
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Steve' comments about flywheel are spot on. A magnet came loose on mine and did considerable damage. Bought a used stator and flywheel from a forum member that was supposed to be good. Have also bought a new Onan regulator and rectifier and have about $450.00 stuck in job and doesn't charge. So disgusted after pulling engine twice looking for reason that I put back together last summer and gave up.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2015 at 10:01am |
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After consulting with Dr allis I'm going to use his method of a light soft brush and lots of air to clean the stator. No chemicals to ensure I do not damage the coating. Thanks for the advice everybody.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2015 at 7:48pm |
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Just order a replacement engine harness from B&B custom circuits.
Does anybody know a Delco spark plug #
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Posted: 09 Jan 2015 at 8:22pm |
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just went to check and ACDelco C45L is what is on my 616. runs great too.
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Posted: 11 Jan 2015 at 6:43am |
got plugs picked up last night. they did not have any acdelco c45L so went with these. 
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Posted: 18 Jan 2015 at 1:43am |
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The left hand discharge mower decks used a smaller diameter cast drive pulley. These decks were used on the 5015 and 5020 tractors. With the lower ram diesel engines the deck had to be geared up to run a at 3600 ram. This was done with the smaller deck pulley. I have one of these smaller pulleys and can check the casting numbers but I'm not at home right now.
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Yea, I can fix that.....
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