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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matt MN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Feb 2011 at 10:00pm
I am not scared to use Calcium cloride in the tires. Yes you do have to pay a little attention to them. it takes YEARS for the fluid to rust the rim. as far as Gerald's condition I would double check what you have inside your tires? the stuff does not rust instantly it takes some time.

There were tests done back in the day that prove you get better traction with fluid in the tires VS cast iron weights of equal weight. It also requires more power to lug around the weights on the rim, plus the weight of the fluid is put directly on the foot print of the tire and not in the center of the rim like weights.
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Gerald, It sounds like somebody used some high iron water to mix for your tires. Flash rust can be caused by the iron particles in the water. I doubt it would happen to any surface that had decent paint on it, unless the flash formed on top of the paint.
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Where I lived, well water had more iron than lime. I don't know what was in the tires, but it penetrated the silver paint on my MF-135 and rusted it it minutes. I had it pumped out and I didn't put it back.

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I wouldn't touch calcium chloride with a bargepole! It is foul stuff which eats wheel rims and any other steel it touches. If you really want to use water ballast and protect your tyres from damage if it freezes, simply add 5 gallons of ordinary ethylene glycol radiator antifreeze to the tyre before you pump in the water. This will work forever and the worst that can happen is that in ultra-cold weather, the ballast will turn to slush which will cause no damage at all to the tyre, tube or anything else. Chuck the CaCl in the garbage can where it belongs!
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Edited by Tricky Dickie - 23 Feb 2011 at 6:26am
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Been Using chloride in our farm tires for years, no rotten rims. Alot of rims have been lost to chloride, not to the fault of chloride, but to the fault of the farmer for not cleaning the rim when there was a leak. Chloride will not harm rubber(tire or tube), so if there is a rotten rim it means you have a hole in the tube, clean it up and you wont have a problem. Cleaning it up doesnt mean spraying it off with a hose, it means removing the tire completely, scrubbing the rim with warm soapy water and a brush, the reinstalling the tire with the proper tube......when I say proper tube I mean a 4-6 heavy duty tube, not a cheap 20 dollar 2 ply.
Cloride is heavier per gallon then antifreeze, washer fluid, beet juice or any other liquid for that matter, thats one of the reasons we use it, it has a high saturation point
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Originally posted by Italy Hill Produce Italy Hill Produce wrote:

Another thing to consider, pound for pound, solid weights mounted on the rim, or on the tractor give you more traction than filled tires.. though if you have a loader you might want both ;)
With the weight on the rim instead of in the tire, you get a better tire print.. It is also better for the tubes/rims etc. and it is a one time expenditure...
We are working on switching our old farm tractors over to wheel weights, even though my dad has been running calcium in the tires since the 70's... Our old tractors are getting to the point where when they need tires, the rims are pretty shot too... If we switch over to pie weights the tires and rims will last longer...
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We always had better luck traction wise with chloride.
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Matt and Don, What I read, back in 2000 was that lb per lb the solid weights gave you better traction because it allows the rubber to flex better and squat out giving you a larger foot print with less compaction per lb, Thus giving you better traction, OR conversly allowing you to add more weight with equal comaction.
The amount of power needed, would only matter when first getting the wheels moving.. if your tractor can't turn it's wheel weights I think you probably have other things to worry about :) I really think the difference in inertia is insignificant, for that matter in theory the solid weights would also help you keep going better when you hit a wet spot etc. (again probably not significant)
 
I think Calcium can be used, but it is mugh higher maintenance in the long run, and everytime you get a flat, if you aren't quick, you have to buy more.. Weights require no special pumps etc...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FredinInd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 2011 at 8:44am
I drove a concrete delivery truck for 32 yrs. In the winter, we had to add cacl to the load sometimes to speed up the setting times. You might go to your local delivery plant and ask if they would sell you a few gals. Our cacl holding tank had a capacity of 2500 gal. So when someone wanted 40 or 50 gals, they sold it to them at a decent cost. Just take a 55 gal plastic drum in the back  of your pickup. Just a thought......but wheel weights are alot easier on rims and tubes, cleaner too.. 

Edited by FredinInd - 23 Feb 2011 at 8:51am
Oh well, I won't do that again!
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