Calcium Chloride
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Topic: Calcium Chloride
Posted By: Ted J
Subject: Calcium Chloride
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 9:55am
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Is there a way to make your own Calcium Chloride for insertion into tires? Can you buy it? Any cost difference between Calcium Chloride and any new stuff that is out there? What IS out there to replace it? Thanks
------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
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Posted By: paul s. mn
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 9:58am
| windshield washer fluid,beet juice, stick around more will answer wwith more |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 10:00am
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If 'road salt' is calcium chloride, maybe talk nicely to the local road crew for some 'leftover' or 'spilled' salt.....
Would water softener salt work just as well ????
Jes thinkin out loud...
------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 10:19am
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Calcium chloride is the modern road salt. Softener salt is usually Sodium Chloride though sometimes Potassium Chloride (potash) is used. After seeing what Calcium Chloride did to a decently painted tractor when a tire split and pinched the tube on the inside sidewall, I won't use any of these again. Besides the tractor plowed better with the empty new tires than it did with the old worn tires. Many a tractor rim has been eaten by minute CaCl leaks around the valve stem. Beet juice sold commercially as "Rim Guard" seems to work decently without freezing, though I don't think its as heavy as CaCl and its harder to find and costs more. Winter rated windshield washer solvent has a following because its easiest to find in a big box store and at least as heavy as water without doing damage to the tube or tire from freezing and doesn't cause instant rust like spilled CaCl. To get any into the tire, you turn the tire with the valve stem up and attache a gadget made for the purpose and hook up a liquid pump. You have to pause the pumping at intervals to release the air pressure and you generally stop with some air left in the tire so it can still flex. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Skyhighballoon(MO)
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 10:25am
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Tractor tire dealers sell CaCl flakes in 50 lb bags. My first cousin has a small tire business and I buy through him...something like $16 or $18/bag. Rock salt is like regular salt (NaCl) and won't protect from from freezing like CaCl which has a much lower freezing point in a solution. You can buy pelleted CaCl ice melt but it takes much longer to dissolve into a solution than the flakes. It's also usually higher priced by about $10 per 50 lbs if you buy it retail. Buy some 55 gallon plastic drums (the ones you can remove the whole top lid so you can dump the bags of flakes in) to mix it up. You can measure in how much water you need for each tire using a 5 gallon bucket. -20 degree windshield washer fluid would work depending on your area. It's a little hard to find places to buy it in bulk (55 gallon drums) but industrial chemical distributors may have it. Mike ------------- 1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex 1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330 1969 180 gas 1965 D17 S-IV gas 1963 D17 S-III gas 1956 WD45 gas NF PS 1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin 303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 10:35am
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you can buy bulk fasher fluid, check with trucking company fleet as they have source or oil supplier should line you up with someone.
Chemical supplier for the cal clo flakes or sometimes farm supply.
Used anti-freeze also works. Could see if you can get alcohol from local source and mix with water also to ratio for lowest temp in your area.
Fleet Farm might have is or can get bagged ice melt by pallet there also , might get it on clearance as we arent getting any more snow ... LOL ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: dannyraddatz
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 11:38am
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Found this one call rim guard.
http://www.rimguard.biz/Products.html - http://www.rimguard.biz/Products.html
here another for ballest
http://www.gemplers.com/tech/liquid-ballast.htm - http://www.gemplers.com/tech/liquid-ballast.htm ------------- Danny Raddatz |
Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 11:45am
| Methanol Alcohol works real well. Not as heavy or corrosive, but still a great job. HTH Tracy Martin |
Posted By: Reeseholler
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 12:13pm
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we use magnesium chloride. It comes in flakes and you just mix it up. Don't know where the farm gets it from but this is what it is.....two bags to a tire I believe for the Farmall M sized. http://www.meltsnow.com/products-dry-magnesium-chloride.htm - http://www.meltsnow.com/products-dry-magnesium-chloride.htm |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 12:31pm
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For a cheap way, go to your local auto repair shop and collect used antifreeze. Pump it in and forget about it.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: omahagreg
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 1:01pm
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I priced swapping my tires to some better WD wheels. Mine are loaded with CaCl. The tire dealer would take my dispose of my CaCl, but if I wanted something different installed, that was up to me to have available for them to install. I think without anything other than CaCl, it was almost $300 per tire to hire the swap! ------------- Greg Kroeker 1950 WD with wide front and Freeman trip loader |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 1:29pm
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Ted, If you were further south - like AK, South MO, TX, and the like - you could use a few handfulls of table salt. That would keep the entire tire from freezing and if it did you could break it by hitting the side with a crowbar.
We had a fellow who worked for us from TexArcanna(?) AK and that's what he used in Fords. Worked well. However, WI is too far north and far too cold .
Good Luck!
Bill Long
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Posted By: BobHnwO
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 1:46pm
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TSC has an install kit $10 to $15 bucks.
------------- Why do today what you can put off til tomorrow. |
Posted By: pumpkin man
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 2:11pm
| You can load your tires without apump. Mount a barrel on a stand so the outlet is higher than the tire valve stem get a adpt. [hose to valve stem ] tractor supply has them. Put a valve on the barrel set the tire valve stem at 10 or 2 oclock with no weight or air on tire , mix 5 lbs. cal - clor. to agal. of water, hook a hose to the adpt. & barrel turn on will fill tire & burp its self, will take a few hrs. to fill. Ask tire man how much your size takes [ 11-2 - 24 takes 20 gals ] |
Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 3:28pm
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Called Dow Flake around here. The chemical reaction it gives off as its being dissolved in water makes it heat up. ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 3:49pm
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My tires are 14.9 x 28's. Is there a way to calculate the amount? Should I re-use the cacl that is in one of the tires? I don't know how old it is? The other rear tire doesn't have any in it.
------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Skyhighballoon(MO)
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 4:00pm
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Ted - you can reuse the old stuff if you like. As far as how much here's a chart: http://www.firestoneag.com/tiredata/info/info_hydro_2.asp - http://www.firestoneag.com/tiredata/info/info_hydro_2.asp Big thing is to replace the entire valve core's every two years. That pretty much eliminates any issues with leaking. Mike ------------- 1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex 1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330 1969 180 gas 1965 D17 S-IV gas 1963 D17 S-III gas 1956 WD45 gas NF PS 1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin 303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 4:00pm
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The old cacl works. It doesn't age, just has to be pumped out and a tire dealer used to handling it has the tool for that. My MF tractor manual mentioned how much CaCl it could hold and how much weight that added and farm tire handbooks like on line from Titan, Firestone, and Goodyear have tables of that. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Kurzy
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 4:06pm
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I couldn't stand all the damage from fluid in tires, so I removed all fluid. Bought all new tubes, aired up and started buying weights. I got twelve plus tractors and did them all. Never been sorry, now I can sleep at night. LOL Kurzy
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Posted By: Skyhighballoon(MO)
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 4:13pm
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I should add that if you reuse the old stuff you won't know for sure how concentrated it is. If you pump it out split it between two 55 gallon barrels (one for each tire). Then add more water to each barrel to match the chart for your tire size. Add equal amounts of CaCl flake to each barrel and wait for it to dissolve. Start with about half the recommended amount of flakes and see how it does. If the flakes pile up on the bottom and don't dissolve you've reached the max saturation point. If you reuse your old stuff and it was the correct concentration about half of the amount should work out about right anyway. Mike
------------- 1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex 1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330 1969 180 gas 1965 D17 S-IV gas 1963 D17 S-III gas 1956 WD45 gas NF PS 1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin 303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers |
Posted By: Sheridan-Utah
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 4:25pm
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We installled winshield fluid with a swamp coolor pump. It worked very good and is quiet cheap . A pump is less than $10 dollars, winshield fluid is about $1.50 a gallon. ------------- HANSEN'S OLD ORANGE IRON We show, pull, & go! |
Posted By: dannyraddatz
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 4:32pm
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I have searched the web for about an hour looking for a rear tire weight system. It mounted inside the rim and gave you weight without fluid. Has anyone seen this product?
Danny ------------- Danny Raddatz |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 7:31pm
| You get more CaCl2 per pound added if you use Peladow instead of Dowflake. OxyChem formerly Dow makes a 90% and a 94% CaCl2 pellet flake is only 77%-80% CaCl2. The 94% pellet is smaller diameter and the most dissolvable. The 94% pellet is made with the intent the that the end user will be dissolving it. If CalCl2 is promptly washed off with luke warm water corrosion is not a issue. Another bonus is the Dowflake and Peladow are American made. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 7:32pm
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Danny, the only thing that I could find for you is this: http://www.jamesriverequipment.com/details/Agriculture/7730-Tractor - http://www.jamesriverequipment.com/details/Agriculture/7730-Tractor Doesn't help much though... ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: dannyraddatz
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 7:56pm
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Thanks Ted,
If I ever find it I'll post it.
Danny ------------- Danny Raddatz |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 9:09pm
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I use Propylene Glycol... RV Anti-freeze. I visit the local marinas about a week or so after they've stopped winterizing boats... they usually have a pallet or two in 1-gallon bottles leftover, and I buy it for a few pennies over cost. Propylene Glycol is non-toxic, so if you spill it, or puncture a tire, you won't poison children, farm animals or toxically contaminate your fields and well. Not as heavy as some things, but it'll do the job nicely. |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 11:00pm
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Wash it off? How fast? My tractor rusted in a minute or two after it was sprayed with CaCl from a pinched tube in a split in the tire side wall. Didn't take hours or days. Gerald J. |
Posted By: nella(Pa)
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2011 at 6:45am
| I use an old gear pump that I put on the tractor pto to pump the liquid in and out of the tube. It was used on a field sprayer and I put pipe to garden hose fittings on the pump and just switch the hoses on the pump to reverse the flow. Rinse the pump out with water and put oil in it when it is dry and you won't have a rust problem. I also put extra wheel weights on the tractors instead of calcium and water, no rust!! |
Posted By: Italy Hill Produce
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2011 at 7:05am
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Another thing to consider, pound for pound, solid weights mounted on the rim, or on the tractor give you more traction than filled tires.. though if you have a loader you might want both ;)
With the weight on the rim instead of in the tire, you get a better tire print.. It is also better for the tubes/rims etc. and it is a one time expenditure...
We are working on switching our old farm tractors over to wheel weights, even though my dad has been running calcium in the tires since the 70's... Our old tractors are getting to the point where when they need tires, the rims are pretty shot too... If we switch over to pie weights the tires and rims will last longer...
Jonathan ------------- G tractor and an All Crop 66 Also Kubota MX5100F and M9540HD12 |
Posted By: j.w.freck
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2011 at 9:47pm
| tucker is the one i agree with,i have used prestone in all my tractor tires with no problems.napa sells an adapter for this procedure |
Posted By: Matt MN
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2011 at 10:00pm
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I am not scared to use Calcium cloride in the tires. Yes you do have to pay a little attention to them. it takes YEARS for the fluid to rust the rim. as far as Gerald's condition I would double check what you have inside your tires? the stuff does not rust instantly it takes some time.
There were tests done back in the day that prove you get better traction with fluid in the tires VS cast iron weights of equal weight. It also requires more power to lug around the weights on the rim, plus the weight of the fluid is put directly on the foot print of the tire and not in the center of the rim like weights. ------------- Unless your are the lead horse the scenery never changes!! |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2011 at 10:39pm
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Gerald, It sounds like somebody used some high iron water to mix for your tires. Flash rust can be caused by the iron particles in the water. I doubt it would happen to any surface that had decent paint on it, unless the flash formed on top of the paint. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2011 at 12:09am
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Where I lived, well water had more iron than lime. I don't know what was in the tires, but it penetrated the silver paint on my MF-135 and rusted it it minutes. I had it pumped out and I didn't put it back. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Tricky Dickie
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2011 at 6:24am
| I wouldn't touch calcium chloride with a bargepole! It is foul stuff which eats wheel rims and any other steel it touches. If you really want to use water ballast and protect your tyres from damage if it freezes, simply add 5 gallons of ordinary ethylene glycol radiator antifreeze to the tyre before you pump in the water. This will work forever and the worst that can happen is that in ultra-cold weather, the ballast will turn to slush which will cause no damage at all to the tyre, tube or anything else. Chuck the CaCl in the garbage can where it belongs! Tricky Dickie |
Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2011 at 6:33am
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Been Using chloride in our farm tires for years, no rotten rims. Alot of rims have been lost to chloride, not to the fault of chloride, but to the fault of the farmer for not cleaning the rim when there was a leak. Chloride will not harm rubber(tire or tube), so if there is a rotten rim it means you have a hole in the tube, clean it up and you wont have a problem. Cleaning it up doesnt mean spraying it off with a hose, it means removing the tire completely, scrubbing the rim with warm soapy water and a brush, the reinstalling the tire with the proper tube......when I say proper tube I mean a 4-6 heavy duty tube, not a cheap 20 dollar 2 ply.
Cloride is heavier per gallon then antifreeze, washer fluid, beet juice or any other liquid for that matter, thats one of the reasons we use it, it has a high saturation point ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2011 at 6:36am
------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Italy Hill Produce wrote:Posted By: Italy Hill Produce
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2011 at 6:53am
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Matt and Don, What I read, back in 2000 was that lb per lb the solid weights gave you better traction because it allows the rubber to flex better and squat out giving you a larger foot print with less compaction per lb, Thus giving you better traction, OR conversly allowing you to add more weight with equal comaction.
The amount of power needed, would only matter when first getting the wheels moving.. if your tractor can't turn it's wheel weights I think you probably have other things to worry about :) I really think the difference in inertia is insignificant, for that matter in theory the solid weights would also help you keep going better when you hit a wet spot etc. (again probably not significant)
I think Calcium can be used, but it is mugh higher maintenance in the long run, and everytime you get a flat, if you aren't quick, you have to buy more.. Weights require no special pumps etc... ------------- G tractor and an All Crop 66 Also Kubota MX5100F and M9540HD12 |
Posted By: FredinInd
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2011 at 8:44am
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I drove a concrete delivery truck for 32 yrs. In the winter, we had to add cacl to the load sometimes to speed up the setting times. You might go to your local delivery plant and ask if they would sell you a few gals. Our cacl holding tank had a capacity of 2500 gal. So when someone wanted 40 or 50 gals, they sold it to them at a decent cost. Just take a 55 gal plastic drum in the back of your pickup. Just a thought......but wheel weights are alot easier on rims and tubes, cleaner too.. ------------- Oh well, I won't do that again! |