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Ted J ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18869 |
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Is there a way to make your own Calcium Chloride for insertion into tires? Can you buy it? Any cost difference between Calcium Chloride and any new stuff that is out there? What IS out there to replace it? Thanks
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paul s. mn ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 18 Dec 2009 Points: 75 |
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windshield washer fluid,beet juice, stick around more will answer wwith more
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 23686 |
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If 'road salt' is calcium chloride, maybe talk nicely to the local road crew for some 'leftover' or 'spilled' salt.....
Would water softener salt work just as well ????
Jes thinkin out loud...
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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Calcium chloride is the modern road salt. Softener salt is usually Sodium Chloride though sometimes Potassium Chloride (potash) is used. After seeing what Calcium Chloride did to a decently painted tractor when a tire split and pinched the tube on the inside sidewall, I won't use any of these again. Besides the tractor plowed better with the empty new tires than it did with the old worn tires.
Many a tractor rim has been eaten by minute CaCl leaks around the valve stem. Beet juice sold commercially as "Rim Guard" seems to work decently without freezing, though I don't think its as heavy as CaCl and its harder to find and costs more. Winter rated windshield washer solvent has a following because its easiest to find in a big box store and at least as heavy as water without doing damage to the tube or tire from freezing and doesn't cause instant rust like spilled CaCl. To get any into the tire, you turn the tire with the valve stem up and attache a gadget made for the purpose and hook up a liquid pump. You have to pause the pumping at intervals to release the air pressure and you generally stop with some air left in the tire so it can still flex. Gerald J. |
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Skyhighballoon(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Pilot Grove, MO Points: 3115 |
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Tractor tire dealers sell CaCl flakes in 50 lb bags. My first cousin has a small tire business and I buy through him...something like $16 or $18/bag. Rock salt is like regular salt (NaCl) and won't protect from from freezing like CaCl which has a much lower freezing point in a solution. You can buy pelleted CaCl ice melt but it takes much longer to dissolve into a solution than the flakes. It's also usually higher priced by about $10 per 50 lbs if you buy it retail. Buy some 55 gallon plastic drums (the ones you can remove the whole top lid so you can dump the bags of flakes in) to mix it up. You can measure in how much water you need for each tire using a 5 gallon bucket.
-20 degree windshield washer fluid would work depending on your area. It's a little hard to find places to buy it in bulk (55 gallon drums) but industrial chemical distributors may have it. Mike |
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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41775 |
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you can buy bulk fasher fluid, check with trucking company fleet as they have source or oil supplier should line you up with someone.
Chemical supplier for the cal clo flakes or sometimes farm supply.
Used anti-freeze also works. Could see if you can get alcohol from local source and mix with water also to ratio for lowest temp in your area.
Fleet Farm might have is or can get bagged ice melt by pallet there also , might get it on clearance as we arent getting any more snow ... LOL
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dannyraddatz ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Plainfield, Ill Points: 848 |
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Found this one call rim guard.
here another for ballest
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Danny Raddatz
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Tracy Martin TN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gallatin,TN Points: 10668 |
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Methanol Alcohol works real well. Not as heavy or corrosive, but still a great job. HTH Tracy Martin
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Reeseholler ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 2010 Location: Port Matilda PA Points: 294 |
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we use magnesium chloride. It comes in flakes and you just mix it up.
Don't know where the farm gets it from but this is what it is.....two bags to a tire I believe for the Farmall M sized. http://www.meltsnow.com/products-dry-magnesium-chloride.htm |
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CTuckerNWIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22823 |
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For a cheap way, go to your local auto repair shop and collect used antifreeze. Pump it in and forget about it.
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omahagreg ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Points: 2806 |
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I priced swapping my tires to some better WD wheels. Mine are loaded with CaCl. The tire dealer would take my dispose of my CaCl, but if I wanted something different installed, that was up to me to have available for them to install. I think without anything other than CaCl, it was almost $300 per tire to hire the swap!
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Bill Long ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bel Air, MD Points: 4556 |
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Ted, If you were further south - like AK, South MO, TX, and the like - you could use a few handfulls of table salt. That would keep the entire tire from freezing and if it did you could break it by hitting the side with a crowbar.
We had a fellow who worked for us from TexArcanna(?) AK and that's what he used in Fords. Worked well. However, WI is too far north and far too cold .
Good Luck!
Bill Long
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BobHnwO ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Jenera Ohio Points: 693 |
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TSC has an install kit $10 to $15 bucks.
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pumpkin man ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Apr 2010 Location: Michigan Points: 106 |
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You can load your tires without apump. Mount a barrel on a stand so the outlet is higher than the tire valve stem get a adpt. [hose to valve stem ] tractor supply has them. Put a valve on the barrel set the tire valve stem at 10 or 2 oclock with no weight or air on tire , mix 5 lbs. cal - clor. to agal. of water, hook a hose to the adpt. & barrel turn on will fill tire & burp its self, will take a few hrs. to fill. Ask tire man how much your size takes [ 11-2 - 24 takes 20 gals ]
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DonDittmar ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: MIllersburg, MI Points: 2485 |
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Called Dow Flake around here. The chemical reaction it gives off as its being dissolved in water makes it heat up.
Edited by DonDittmar - 21 Feb 2011 at 3:29pm |
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Ted J ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18869 |
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My tires are 14.9 x 28's. Is there a way to calculate the amount? Should I re-use the cacl that is in one of the tires? I don't know how old it is? The other rear tire doesn't have any in it.
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Skyhighballoon(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Pilot Grove, MO Points: 3115 |
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Ted - you can reuse the old stuff if you like. As far as how much here's a chart:
http://www.firestoneag.com/tiredata/info/info_hydro_2.asp Big thing is to replace the entire valve core's every two years. That pretty much eliminates any issues with leaking. Mike |
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1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex
1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330 1969 180 gas 1965 D17 S-IV gas 1963 D17 S-III gas 1956 WD45 gas NF PS 1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin 303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers |
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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The old cacl works. It doesn't age, just has to be pumped out and a tire dealer used to handling it has the tool for that. My MF tractor manual mentioned how much CaCl it could hold and how much weight that added and farm tire handbooks like on line from Titan, Firestone, and Goodyear have tables of that.
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Kurzy ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 02 Nov 2009 Location: WSS, Montana Points: 808 |
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I couldn't stand all the damage from fluid in tires, so I removed all fluid. Bought all new tubes, aired up and started buying weights. I got twelve plus tractors and did them all. Never been sorry, now I can sleep at night. LOL Kurzy
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Skyhighballoon(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Pilot Grove, MO Points: 3115 |
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I should add that if you reuse the old stuff you won't know for sure how concentrated it is. If you pump it out split it between two 55 gallon barrels (one for each tire). Then add more water to each barrel to match the chart for your tire size. Add equal amounts of CaCl flake to each barrel and wait for it to dissolve. Start with about half the recommended amount of flakes and see how it does. If the flakes pile up on the bottom and don't dissolve you've reached the max saturation point. If you reuse your old stuff and it was the correct concentration about half of the amount should work out about right anyway. Mike
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1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex
1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330 1969 180 gas 1965 D17 S-IV gas 1963 D17 S-III gas 1956 WD45 gas NF PS 1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin 303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers |
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Sheridan-Utah ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Jan 2010 Location: Southern Utah Points: 107 |
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We installled winshield fluid with a swamp coolor pump. It worked very good and is quiet cheap . A pump is less than $10 dollars, winshield fluid is about $1.50 a gallon.
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dannyraddatz ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Plainfield, Ill Points: 848 |
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I have searched the web for about an hour looking for a rear tire weight system. It mounted inside the rim and gave you weight without fluid. Has anyone seen this product?
Danny
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victoryallis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2010 Location: Ludington mi Points: 2876 |
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You get more CaCl2 per pound added if you use Peladow instead of Dowflake. OxyChem formerly Dow makes a 90% and a 94% CaCl2 pellet flake is only 77%-80% CaCl2. The 94% pellet is smaller diameter and the most dissolvable. The 94% pellet is made with the intent the that the end user will be dissolving it. If CalCl2 is promptly washed off with luke warm water corrosion is not a issue. Another bonus is the Dowflake and Peladow are American made.
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Ted J ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18869 |
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Danny, the only thing that I could find for you is this:
http://www.jamesriverequipment.com/details/Agriculture/7730-Tractor Doesn't help much though... |
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dannyraddatz ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Plainfield, Ill Points: 848 |
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Thanks Ted,
If I ever find it I'll post it.
Danny
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5868 |
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I use Propylene Glycol... RV Anti-freeze. I visit the local marinas about a week or so after they've stopped winterizing boats... they usually have a pallet or two in 1-gallon bottles leftover, and I buy it for a few pennies over cost.
Propylene Glycol is non-toxic, so if you spill it, or puncture a tire, you won't poison children, farm animals or toxically contaminate your fields and well. Not as heavy as some things, but it'll do the job nicely. |
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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Wash it off? How fast? My tractor rusted in a minute or two after it was sprayed with CaCl from a pinched tube in a split in the tire side wall. Didn't take hours or days.
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nella(Pa) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Allentown, Pa. Points: 3108 |
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I use an old gear pump that I put on the tractor pto to pump the liquid in and out of the tube. It was used on a field sprayer and I put pipe to garden hose fittings on the pump and just switch the hoses on the pump to reverse the flow. Rinse the pump out with water and put oil in it when it is dry and you won't have a rust problem. I also put extra wheel weights on the tractors instead of calcium and water, no rust!!
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Italy Hill Produce ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 07 May 2010 Location: Upstate NY Points: 141 |
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Another thing to consider, pound for pound, solid weights mounted on the rim, or on the tractor give you more traction than filled tires.. though if you have a loader you might want both ;)
With the weight on the rim instead of in the tire, you get a better tire print.. It is also better for the tubes/rims etc. and it is a one time expenditure...
We are working on switching our old farm tractors over to wheel weights, even though my dad has been running calcium in the tires since the 70's... Our old tractors are getting to the point where when they need tires, the rims are pretty shot too... If we switch over to pie weights the tires and rims will last longer...
Jonathan
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j.w.freck ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: karnack texas Points: 1153 |
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tucker is the one i agree with,i have used prestone in all my tractor tires with no problems.napa sells an adapter for this procedure
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