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Hubnut ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2014 Location: Gainesville, FL Points: 1812 |
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B I found on CL. You think this was in a fire? Or was it submerged in water for years?
https://ocala.craigslist.org/for/d/allis-chalmers-gas-tractor/6379554470.html Edited by Hubnut - 16 Nov 2017 at 6:12pm |
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1940 B "Lucy"
1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
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HD6GTOM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 2009 Location: MADISON CO IA Points: 6627 |
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Front ones look like early Buick rims. Wish I could see them bettet.
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HoughMade ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Sep 2017 Location: Valparaiso, IN Points: 691 |
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Don't know about the wheels. Bs were available with optional steel wheels, especially during the war...but I don't know if they are correct. Honestly, I don't see much there that I would use.
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Ky.Allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Location: Kentucky Points: 984 |
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I would not haul it home if it was free. Pure junk and needs to go to scrap.
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Joe(TX) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Weatherford. TX Points: 1682 |
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!t's a 1940 model from the serial number. The steel rear wheel, hydraulic lift and the McCormick Deering sickle mower should be worth something more than scrap. |
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1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8361 |
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I would definitely save it if it were cheaper and nearby. Like was said, the steel wheels should be worth something, and I bet there are other parts that area good. Nothing is ever “completely” junk, IMHO.
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Ted J ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18743 |
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Well Creston, this one is close.....
![]() I don't know what steel wheels are going for, but those look good as well as other things on it. I'd guess it's stuck tighter than a drum? Tranny and rear end have to be almost full of water......I don't think I'd give em more than $200 for it. |
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19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
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Gary Burnett ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Virginia Points: 2873 |
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The extensions on the factory steel wheels would be pretty rare and should have some value only set of extensions for B/C steel I have I've ever seen.
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JC-WI ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: wisconsin Points: 33703 |
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salt air tractor... to close to an ocean... engine might be fine inside if it had a roof over it...
It would require a lot of sand blasting on the outside for sure and a bunch of other things like radiator hood fuel tank fenders side panels etc... IF the inside was good. LOL |
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tomstractorsandtoys ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Feb 2015 Location: wi Points: 515 |
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For being in Florida I am surprised it is not worse looking. The climate just eats them up. I remember getting 30 and 40 series Deere tractors from there 25 years ago that you could stick your fingers thru all the sheet metal. Between the climate, sand and the operaters (poorly paid on mega farms) they were the roughest tractors we ever had. They all seemed cheap untill you saw how bad they were. Tom
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Hubert (Ga)engine7 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson Cnty,GA Points: 6164 |
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If you want the steel wheels offer $100 or ask how much he will pay you to haul it off.
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Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God.
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Hubnut ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2014 Location: Gainesville, FL Points: 1812 |
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I really don't like steel wheels, so I'm not interested. I doubt there it anything of value on that tractor. Why would the manifold have those holes?
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1940 B "Lucy"
1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
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TedBuiskerN.IL. ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Davis, IL. Points: 1959 |
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Those extensions on the rear wheels are extremely rare and valuable.
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Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives.
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HoughMade ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Sep 2017 Location: Valparaiso, IN Points: 691 |
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"What is: water has been sitting in the manifold, head and probably at least a couple of cylinders for a few decades, Alex?"
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Bill Long ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bel Air, MD Points: 4556 |
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You all know how much I LOVE the B. This one is questionable. It would be a challenging restore at best. All of the above is correct as far as what needs to be done.
This is what we called a "half breed". During WWII many of the tractors we got were this type. Steel rear, rubber front. Yes, there are extensions on the rear wheels and they have some value. We had a pair of extensions that stayed with us after the war. Someone found them and I cannot tell you how many offers we had on them. Even then. I never did find out what happened. I was in college and the Army and basically spent four years away from home. When I came home they were gone. I do know they have value. The rest is a money pit. Good Luck! Bill Long |
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Wdtractorman ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 24 Sep 2013 Location: Kentucky Points: 975 |
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I'd like to have the steel wheels off it
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8361 |
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Someone save it for the steel wheels and extensions, if for nothing else!
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LeonR2013 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Location: Fulton, Mo Points: 3500 |
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Can you even imagine how much you'd have to sink into to make a decent runner out of it? Parts tractor, maybe.
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Hubnut ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2014 Location: Gainesville, FL Points: 1812 |
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Any idea how much these wheels are worth? Not $500 for sure. Someone tell me what you think they are worth and I may contact the guy to get the tractor for them.
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1940 B "Lucy"
1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
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Hubnut ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2014 Location: Gainesville, FL Points: 1812 |
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Well, the guy said he would go as low as $300. Are these wheels worth that? I can use the block too. My recently acquired B has a block that's been repaired with epoxy. I think this block may be okay. You never know. He told me it was on a fish camp for years when he acquired the property. I know people lean both ways with the value of this thing, but I'm going to go get it on Saturday. Hopefully those rear wheels are worth the effort and expense.
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1940 B "Lucy"
1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8361 |
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I'd say so! Good job! There's plenty of good parts on that...front axle, oil pan, final drive housings, torque tube, rockshaft, rear wheel centers, fan, drawbar, steering drag link, seat frame, PTO guard (usually missing), etc... Those things don't usually need replaced, but I'm sure someone could use something off it. If no one needs the driveshaft in the torque tube and the splines are all good, you could cut it off short and use it to align your clutch on the flywheel when you do re-assembly on your rebuilds! I wish I had something like that when I did mine. It was just an eyeballing game. My 8N clutch kit came with an alignment tool, fortunately.
Edited by CrestonM - 16 Nov 2017 at 6:44pm |
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Hubnut ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2014 Location: Gainesville, FL Points: 1812 |
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Thanks Creston. I appreciate that. I hope it rolls.
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1940 B "Lucy"
1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 78579 |
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If it was a horse, we would call it " rode HARD and put away WET " !!
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8172 |
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Steve,
I have brought some rough ones home but none quite as bad as that B. I think it could be a nice yard art piece out in the lawn?:) Also those steel wheels laid on their sides could make nice coffee tables at $1000 a piece?? Most of the stuff from up here has some rust, but usually covered in a protective coating of oil and grease. That pitting on the castings will be hard to cover with high fill primers? Now if the block will work in your tractor than there is some value to you. I just see a lot of rusted broken bolts in your future. But you do certainly have a way of turning these into little cuties! I will be watching. If Bill Long says its bad its probably bad! Regards, Chris |
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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shameless dude ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Apr 2017 Location: east NE Points: 13611 |
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hasn't been in a fire, but it sure had a lot of bad style weather do it to it! prolly one that sat by the ocean?
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Hubnut ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2014 Location: Gainesville, FL Points: 1812 |
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Well, after thinking about all day, I going to pass on this tractor. I have too much to do now. All I see is a ton of sandblast work! Thanks for all the comments. They were helpful.
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1940 B "Lucy"
1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
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Ken in Texas ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Henderson, TX Points: 5919 |
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Can't add much to what has already been posted except that the rear wheel centers are for rubber tires . A B on steel rear centers have 4 notches and are twice as thick.
Edited by Ken in Texas - 17 Nov 2017 at 6:07pm |
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Hubnut ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2014 Location: Gainesville, FL Points: 1812 |
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Thanks Kenny. I was wondering if those centers were correct.
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1940 B "Lucy"
1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
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Ken in Texas ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Henderson, TX Points: 5919 |
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One more bit of B trivia. The closeup pic of the engine block Casting # shows the ending number to be -11. A BE block for sure cast in 1939. Look for the BE engine serial number stamped into a small flat spot at the back of the block. No place to bolt a Genny brecket to the block
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Spent its whole life as a hand cranked B. Most all 40 Bs had electric start' Steve Wife and I agree to sell all my B/C non assembled Tractor parts including 2 running engines at current scrap price at whatever it is when it leaves the farm . Bring a big trailer Edited by Ken in Texas - 17 Nov 2017 at 6:48pm |
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8361 |
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Electrolysis! Lol Just hope those steel wheels and especially the extensions, don't go to scrap. I guess the rest I could stand.
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