Are these wheels correct? I plan to buy.
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Topic: Are these wheels correct? I plan to buy.
Posted By: Hubnut
Subject: Are these wheels correct? I plan to buy.
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2017 at 3:30pm
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B I found on CL. You think this was in a fire? Or was it submerged in water for years? https://ocala.craigslist.org/for/d/allis-chalmers-gas-tractor/6379554470.html" rel="nofollow - https://ocala.craigslist.org/for/d/allis-chalmers-gas-tractor/6379554470.html ------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
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Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2017 at 3:55pm
| Front ones look like early Buick rims. Wish I could see them bettet. |
Posted By: HoughMade
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2017 at 3:58pm
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Don't know about the wheels. Bs were available with optional steel wheels, especially during the war...but I don't know if they are correct. Honestly, I don't see much there that I would use. ------------- 1951 B |
Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2017 at 4:48pm
| I would not haul it home if it was free. Pure junk and needs to go to scrap. |
Posted By: Joe(TX)
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2017 at 5:28pm
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!t's a 1940 model from the serial number. The steel rear wheel, hydraulic lift and the McCormick Deering sickle mower should be worth something more than scrap. ------------- 1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2017 at 8:49pm
| I would definitely save it if it were cheaper and nearby. Like was said, the steel wheels should be worth something, and I bet there are other parts that area good. Nothing is ever “completely” junk, IMHO. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2017 at 10:47pm
Well Creston, this one is close..... Yes, you could repair the manifold, but I think I'd allow it to go to the iron pile. (Pssssst DO NOT TELL LES)I don't know what steel wheels are going for, but those look good as well as other things on it. I'd guess it's stuck tighter than a drum? Tranny and rear end have to be almost full of water......I don't think I'd give em more than $200 for it. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2017 at 1:46am
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The extensions on the factory steel wheels would be pretty rare and should have some value only set of extensions for B/C steel I have I've ever seen. |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2017 at 3:46am
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salt air tractor... to close to an ocean... engine might be fine inside if it had a roof over it... It would require a lot of sand blasting on the outside for sure and a bunch of other things like radiator hood fuel tank fenders side panels etc... IF the inside was good. LOL ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: tomstractorsandtoys
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2017 at 7:55am
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For being in Florida I am surprised it is not worse looking. The climate just eats them up. I remember getting 30 and 40 series Deere tractors from there 25 years ago that you could stick your fingers thru all the sheet metal. Between the climate, sand and the operaters (poorly paid on mega farms) they were the roughest tractors we ever had. They all seemed cheap untill you saw how bad they were. Tom |
Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2017 at 2:54pm
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If you want the steel wheels offer $100 or ask how much he will pay you to haul it off. ------------- Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2017 at 2:57pm
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I really don't like steel wheels, so I'm not interested. I doubt there it anything of value on that tractor. Why would the manifold have those holes? ------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 2:13pm
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Those extensions on the rear wheels are extremely rare and valuable. ------------- Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives. |
Posted By: HoughMade
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 2:32pm
"What is: water has been sitting in the manifold, head and probably at least a couple of cylinders for a few decades, Alex?"
------------- 1951 B |
Hubnut wrote:Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 8:57pm
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You all know how much I LOVE the B. This one is questionable. It would be a challenging restore at best. All of the above is correct as far as what needs to be done. This is what we called a "half breed". During WWII many of the tractors we got were this type. Steel rear, rubber front. Yes, there are extensions on the rear wheels and they have some value. We had a pair of extensions that stayed with us after the war. Someone found them and I cannot tell you how many offers we had on them. Even then. I never did find out what happened. I was in college and the Army and basically spent four years away from home. When I came home they were gone. I do know they have value. The rest is a money pit. Good Luck! Bill Long |
Posted By: Wdtractorman
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2017 at 2:25pm
| I'd like to have the steel wheels off it |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2017 at 4:58pm
| Someone save it for the steel wheels and extensions, if for nothing else! |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2017 at 5:30pm
| Can you even imagine how much you'd have to sink into to make a decent runner out of it? Parts tractor, maybe. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2017 at 5:36pm
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Any idea how much these wheels are worth? Not $500 for sure. Someone tell me what you think they are worth and I may contact the guy to get the tractor for them. ------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2017 at 6:11pm
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Well, the guy said he would go as low as $300. Are these wheels worth that? I can use the block too. My recently acquired B has a block that's been repaired with epoxy. I think this block may be okay. You never know. He told me it was on a fish camp for years when he acquired the property. I know people lean both ways with the value of this thing, but I'm going to go get it on Saturday. Hopefully those rear wheels are worth the effort and expense. ------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2017 at 6:13pm
I'd say so! Good job! There's plenty of good parts on that...front axle, oil pan, final drive housings, torque tube, rockshaft, rear wheel centers, fan, drawbar, steering drag link, seat frame, PTO guard (usually missing), etc... Those things don't usually need replaced, but I'm sure someone could use something off it. If no one needs the driveshaft in the torque tube and the splines are all good, you could cut it off short and use it to align your clutch on the flywheel when you do re-assembly on your rebuilds! I wish I had something like that when I did mine. It was just an eyeballing game. My 8N clutch kit came with an alignment tool, fortunately.
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Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2017 at 6:33pm
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Thanks Creston. I appreciate that. I hope it rolls. ------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2017 at 7:15pm
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If it was a horse, we would call it " rode HARD and put away WET " !! ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2017 at 3:03am
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Steve, I have brought some rough ones home but none quite as bad as that B. I think it could be a nice yard art piece out in the lawn?:) Also those steel wheels laid on their sides could make nice coffee tables at $1000 a piece?? Most of the stuff from up here has some rust, but usually covered in a protective coating of oil and grease. That pitting on the castings will be hard to cover with high fill primers? Now if the block will work in your tractor than there is some value to you. I just see a lot of rusted broken bolts in your future. But you do certainly have a way of turning these into little cuties! I will be watching. If Bill Long says its bad its probably bad! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2017 at 6:00am
| hasn't been in a fire, but it sure had a lot of bad style weather do it to it! prolly one that sat by the ocean? |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2017 at 5:37pm
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Well, after thinking about all day, I going to pass on this tractor. I have too much to do now. All I see is a ton of sandblast work! Thanks for all the comments. They were helpful. ------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2017 at 5:58pm
| Can't add much to what has already been posted except that the rear wheel centers are for rubber tires . A B on steel rear centers have 4 notches and are twice as thick. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2017 at 6:22pm
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Thanks Kenny. I was wondering if those centers were correct. ------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2017 at 6:30pm
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One more bit of B trivia. The closeup pic of the engine block Casting # shows the ending number to be -11. A BE block for sure cast in 1939. Look for the BE engine serial number stamped into a small flat spot at the back of the block. No place to bolt a Genny brecket to the block
either. Spent its whole life as a hand cranked B. Most all 40 Bs had electric start' Steve Wife and I agree to sell all my B/C non assembled Tractor parts including 2 running engines at current scrap price at whatever it is when it leaves the farm . Bring a big trailer
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Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2017 at 7:34pm
Electrolysis! Lol Just hope those steel wheels and especially the extensions, don't go to scrap. I guess the rest I could stand.
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Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2017 at 8:18pm
Kenny, The money is not the issue. I wish you were closer my friend. I was hoping you'd chime in on the wheels. Steve ------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
Posted By: Wdtractorman
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2017 at 9:08pm
| I wish I lived closer to where you live you seam to have all the good deals on the b/c stuff. Man it astounds me that you find one after another like you do. I know where 2 C's and one b with in a hr of my house and you wouldn't have enough to put togather one runner out of all there of them lol. Of corse I know that I would find more if I travel but bc of young kids and work I just not able to travel much after stuff. That and I kinda a home body. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2017 at 7:01am
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WDtractorman, I try not to travel to get them. I HATE driving in the car. I mean REALLY hate it! I keep my eyes glued to CL everyday and go when I see one close. I'm a homebody too. I see a ton of Bs and Cs up your way on CL. I wish I was closer to your region. ------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2017 at 2:31pm
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I don't know, for a couple hundred bucks, I see quite a few parts on that Tractor that are worth saving and reselling after a cleanup. You could probably use the block or use the rear wheels to barter for an engine. There's possibilities there to me, and some parts you throw away like the manifold for one. Steve@B&B ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2017 at 2:57pm
x2!
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Posted By: Wdtractorman
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2017 at 8:02pm
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Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2017 at 12:12am
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I need to make a list and post some pictures of all the B/C stuff I have stashed in my barn and out behind the barn. Lots of good stuff FOR SALE CHEAP that I will never use. This Willys was my first TRUCK. I'm the second owner. Bought it used in 1968 for $800. It was Green when new. I am going back with a late model JEEP Metallic Red
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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2017 at 5:58am
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Ken, I can't wait to see it!! I agree, that green wasn't the best color they came up with. I've got a bad grinding noise in my left rear on my C, but I can't get to it until next spring/summer. So I'll be looking for parts then and I'll be in touch my friend! It is SO GOOD to see you on here again and I'm still praying that there is nothing but good news coming from you. God Bless..... ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2017 at 6:08am
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Kenny, Glad to see you're enjoying the jeep. Sounds like a neat project. As I've said repeatedly, I wish you were closer and I'd snag all your inventory. I hope you continue to receive good news about your health. My best to you. Steve ------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |