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    Posted: 29 Jun 2024 at 3:28pm
Here are the stock numbers that I have and can verify...Darin...maybe add this to the knowledge base...Mark

300/305    2051528
400/405    2013778
500           2013777
700           2013847
800           2051584
1000         2051547

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I know many people love the AC running gears, but they were not all that good. No way to grease the steering rods was a big mistake. Back in the day, I bought a new 701 gear for a gravity box and within 3 years, you couldn't tow it down the road at any speed. Face the FACTS guys, they were JUNK.  
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Who cares if you think they are junk. There are people that think Deere are the best thing.  He wants them and can collect what he wants.  I want ac running gears too and I plan on using them. Their short comings are part of loving the color. 
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The steering rod can be fixed very easily with rod ends. Ive got a Allis running gear i made into a header cart. It pulls fine.
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So..what is the point of being negative on this forum...
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Here’s my consortium of AC wagon gear ID tag info that I’ve collected since 1990s. Any occasion (auctions,private listings, etc…) that I notice an AC gear, I took/copied a photo of its ID tags to begin to understand how Electric Wheel Co.(EWC) manufactured for Allis-Chalmers, Massey-Ferguson, New Idea, Electric, Sears, David Bradley, Montg-Wards, IH, Case, Oliver, Minneapolis-moline, Dakon, etc…

AC wagon ID tag info.
Model, Catalog No. Serial No., Sequence, Wheel hub lugs.
300 cat 2013954, 3 274 (4Lug)
305 cat 2051528, 3 828,1135
405 cat 2013778, 4 148,449,670,1384,1398,2046,(5Lug)
500 cat 2013501, 5 110,458,1776(5Lug)
501 cat 2013846, 5 3849,4648,
505 cat 2013777, 5 2318,2716,2738
601 cat 2013505, 6 373,911,927,1155,1161,1281,3263,(6Lug)
605 cat 2013776, 6 2281,3149,3198,3360
700 cat 2013847, 7 6443,4805,5800,
4456,5037,5034,5103,6566,7556
701 cat 2013920, 7 11889,12059,14042,11482,13356
800 cat 2051584, 8 1093,1590,1616,17xx,
2069,2801,2991,3087,4482,4596,4735,
1000 cat 2013860, 10 135,178,196,324,565,
638,653(mfg1966)(8lug)
1010 cat 2051547, 10 1414,1611,1649,
1698,1775,2346,2405,1569,2356,1243,
1777,1780..



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Your info is much appreciated....Over the years.. I have most of the literature...contact me anytime...Mark
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Originally posted by mruhlig77 mruhlig77 wrote:

Your info is much appreciated....Over the years.. I have most of the literature...contact me anytime...Mark
You’re welcome. It has been a fun journey. So the sequence serial numbers represent each wagon gear within a particular model. For example, my listing for model 1010 contains 12 different gears. The model, cat no., & beginning serial 10 could be added to the last 3or4 sequential numbers to complete each tag ID. Like the following:

1010 cat 2051547, serial 10 1414,
1010 cat 2051547, serial 10 1611,
1010 cat 2051547, serial 10 1649,
etc,,1698,1775,2346,2405,1569,2356,1243,
1777,1780..

So my entire listing, represents 72 different AC gears from the 300 thru 1010 models.

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Originally posted by Ky.Allis Ky.Allis wrote:

I Back in the day, I bought a new 701 gear for a gravity box and within 3 years, you couldn't tow it down the road at any speed.
What brand/model of gravity box did it carry?
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It was a Kory box. Not large by any means and only used while picking ear corn. I know Allis didn't build their wagons. In fact, hardly any major company built their own. I think maybe JD built their own and they were a very good wagon gear. Grease fittings everywhere are the key to long life of any wagon. 
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I acquired an AC 701 gear that the previous owner had installed a Ficklin 300 gravity box that also contained 14" extensions ~ 371 cu.ft ~ 297 bu of grain x 60 #/bu = 17,800 lbs of grain....!  Surprisingly, the 701 gear had held up fine, but the Ficklin box was an earlier version which did not contain extra plating(boxing) on it's C-channel style sills. So it had suffered sill(metal runners) fatigue at each of it's 4 contact points where sills rested on the running gear's front & rear frames. 


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Most every company brought their wagon gears from EWC  I've had wagon gears that the ID tag said "manufactured by Electric Wheel Company" but had a big name brand paint and decals. This is also true of the Allis Chalmers gears, the MNI refers the wagon gear part numbers to the EWC factory 
If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY
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Interesting discussion.  The stock number on my Model 300=2013997
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Originally posted by EPALLIS EPALLIS wrote:

Interesting discussion.  The stock number on my Model 300=2013997
That is different from the 300 2013954 that I located.? Please share a photo of your gear’s ID tag. And I’ll try to do the same.
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